<div class="quote"><i>M67PattonZippo wrote:
<p>On the other hand, when one side of an argument leaves, it <i>does</i> allow the forum to get back on track...
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<p>True lol, sorry.
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<div class="quote"><i>MayonnEgg wrote:
<div class="quote">M67PattonZippo wrote:
On the other hand, when one side of an argument leaves, it <i>does</i> allow the forum to get back on track...
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True lol, sorry.
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That's ok. In the words of God from Monty Python & the Holy Grail, "GET ON WITH IT!" </p>

<p>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiocordyceps_unilateralis </p><p>sorry about it being Wiki but this is what the infection is based off of and with a few modifications. the idea of a fungi flu cross is biologicly imposible since a virus and fungi are very diffferent. i can see joel posibly being imune probably a number of other people are and would never know it since there are people who are naturaly resistant to the human verrsion of mad cow http://www.nhs.uk/conditions/Creutzfeldt-Jakob-disease/Pages/Introduction.aspx </p><p>however the idea that the spoors become inefective as soon as they hit sunlight is a bit odd. must spors are known to become dormant then "reawaken" in more ideal conditions. and a fungal lung infection can be spread by breath but only usualy in latter staged by coughing </p><p>on second though there could be a small chance of a virus causing the fungi to mutate due to viruses hijaking cells and a part of the process failing and insted of just caussing viruses caused a strange fungi that by some small chance was still functional and able to reproduce </p>

<p>I think there's a possibility of Joel being immune, but it's slim. It's more of a Shrodinger's Cat situation. Until LOU2 is released, we'll never know, but until then we can view Joel as both Immune and not Immune.  </p><p>However. The listening ability is merely a game mechanic, and the death scenes for Joel and Ellie in the game are non-canon Game Overs, as many people say. It's the same as how you can recharge the flashlight just by shaking it (Which by the way is impossible. It may work a few times, because as the battery becomes low smaller flashlights will think it's out of juice so shaking it CAN make it work again, but only until the battery is completely drained.) </p><p>Sarah couldn't have been confirmed nor denied as Immune, as she was killed via a firearm (And unlike The Walking Dead, they don't turn even after dying by normal means) If a host body died before turning, even if shot in the heart, the virus won't be able to take over as the body is dead.  </p><p>And actually, the Cordyceps Virus IS real, though at the moment it's only strong enough to take over insects. But it does have the same effects on insects IRL as it does humans in the game. Doing some research on Cordyceps can prove this point. And, as it is a real virus, and the game isn't as far-fetched as most games in the genre, it can be said that the Cordyceps Virus of The Last of Us has the same rules as real life viruses. Example, the spores die if they enter an environment with fresh air. Even mushroom and mold spores need a damp environment to spread, which is why Black Mold is common in homes with water leakage, and you only see spore clouds in buildings with tight spaces that are near water (The most spores we see in any location are in the building with the humans where you face all those stalkers, clickers, and that bloater). So any spores on Joel would become benign when he leaves the damp space and enters an environment with fresh air. Of course, it's only a game mechanic when he ONLY wears the mask in the spore clouds. </p><p>Back to Joel's 'immunity'. Immunity can be genetic in certain cases. Immunity happens from genetics adapting over time. an example of this is ants. about 50 years ago, any pesticides we used would kill them, But since the ants breed and give birth thousands of times faster than humans do, they quickly evolved to become immune to those pesticides, so now we have to use specific chemicals on them. So it's possible that Ellie is not the only one immune to the Virus. However there could be a deeper theory on HER immunity than just thinking about Joel's immunity. Perhaps Ellie was even experimented on as a child. She was born only 2 years after the Virus started killing the mass population of Earth. And the Fireflies, who have had a MAJOR part in her life could have done something to her, since Marlene didn't seem so shocked about Ellie's immunity and was so willing to take her life to cure the virus.  </p><p>However, if the immunity was randomly occuring, to the point that people who were well into their adult lives when the virus struck, it would be a small dormant genetic that causes the immunity, and would be completely random, and Sarah might have had it as genetics are hereditary, but we'll never know.  </p><p>Also along the line of random occurances of immunity. If you think about it scientifically. Humans as a species don't become immune to things they haven't been exposed to on some level. We didn't evolve to be immune to small pox until the past generations took the vaccine as children and adults, and it took years for us to be immune to Measles/the Black Plague. So basically, Joel wouldn't be able to be immune in this case, since he'd be too old when the virus strikes to develop an immunity. Immunities mostly develope when we're young which is why we're constantly legally required to get vaccinated before attending school when we're children. Which is probably why Ellie is immune. Experimentation or not, Ellie was born INTO the world filled with the Cordyceps Virus. Perhaps her mother inhaled spores shortly before giving birth. Not enough to infect, but JUST enough to be broken down and inhaled into Ellie while she was still in the womb, idk. It's possible.  </p><p>This post wasn't to confirm nor deny your theory, but to explain things you should think about when making such a theory. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Winterlotus90 wrote: No, like with other fungal diseases, it's not spreadable by breathing on people, biting them, etc. The spores get into your lungs and they stick there: fungal infections are not contagious.  </p> </i></div>
<p>False, sir. All variations of the Influenza are spore based fungal pathogens. While the Flu is not exactly an infection to say the least, it wouldn't apply in the case of CBI because it IS an infection, like MRSA or an infectious sist...That's why the Flu is so contagious and easy to contract. It gets on your hands, your hands go on your food, and the.ln into your mouth, and bam, it's in your system now. Or you breathe in the spores in the open air. Bacteria needs oxygen to survive, just like we do; being out in the open wouldn't kill it at all, but the right evnrionmental settings would. </p><p>I think the reason Joel never contracted CBI is because he's the hero; he can't die until the writers kill him. How dumb would it be if he got infected 10 minutes into the game? Be a little pointless, in my opinion. </p>

<div class="quote"><i> <p>Winterlotus90 wrote: Joel isn't immune guys! LOL come on now. </p> </i></div>
<p>It is very unlikely that Joel is immune however we do not know for a fact if he is or isn't. He could be. It wouldn't be the first time naughty dog had a massive plot twist. I personally think that in the trailer for The Last Of Us Part 2 that Joel is dead. He seems to unreal. When he speaks he is to calm and look at his clothes and hands. They are oddly clean as if he is now the perfect him because he has died and gone to heaven or whatever. At first I thought this theory could be false because there would be no need for a dead person to carry a gun (which we see Joel doing in the trailer) but could this just be because Ellie is so used to seeing him carrying a gun that she is now visualising him with a gun. I don't think Joel's death was necessarily recent to the trailer however I think that his death is what will have caused the sudden change in Ellie. His death lead to her becoming more violent and aggressive. I also believe that the people she wants to kill are the fireflies because they are to big of a part of the story to not include. </p><p>But it's just an idea :) </p>

<div class="quote"><i>Quote: [...] I personally think that in the trailer for The Last Of Us Part 2 that Joel is dead. He seems to unreal. When he speaks he is to calm and look at his clothes and hands. They are oddly clean as if he is now the perfect him because he has died and gone to heaven or whatever. At first I thought this theory could be false because there would be no need for a dead person to carry a gun (which we see Joel doing in the trailer) but could this just be because Ellie is so used to seeing him carrying a gun that she is now visualising him with a gun. I don't think Joel's death was necessarily recent to the trailer however I think that his death is what will have caused the sudden change in Ellie. His death lead to her becoming more violent and aggressive. I also believe that the people she wants to kill are the fireflies because they are to big of a part of the story to not include. <p>But it's just an idea :) </p> </i></div>
<p>I'm unsure whether Joel is dead or not in the trailer--but I really hope he isn't. I think that Ellie killed everyone there herself and Joel showed up later.
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<p></div> I'm unsure whether Joel is dead or not in the trailer--but I really hope he isn't. I think that Ellie killed everyone there herself and Joel showed up later.
</div> As much as I would love to believe Joel is alive it just doesn't feel right. From the evidence I fe like there is to much to prove his death. For instance when we see him appear in the trailer he appears out of grinding white light which we associate with death. He looks oddly clean. Too clean for someone living in that would. And when Ellie talks to him I think it's her seeing him as a ghost as she isn't dealing with his death well and has become mentally unstable. When we hear Joel talks o think it's Ellie asking herself these questions. Asking her self if Joel would want her to kill everyone and put her life at risk. She knows that's wouldn't what he wants however I think she is to angry to care. </p><p>I really hope he isn't dead tho because he is a great character. </p>

<p>Blinding* </p>

<p>Ellie isn't immune guys, her infection mutated somehow, it's practically wrapped in and around her brain, that's why it would kill her to take it out. Ellie is technically half human, half infected. </p>