Part II General Discussion, Theories and Speculation Thread

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M67PattonZippo·1/3/2017

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Alright I have a couple things I want to say really fast. 1) If it is the fireflies that Ellie wants to kill every last one of them how many are left of the fireflies. Seriously think about how many Joel did kill alot of the Fireflies when he was saving Ellie. Joel did kill Marlene 2) If it is the Fireflies who is their leader and how many outposts are there 3) Maby the people Joel and Ellie killed weren't Fireflies. Maby that Firefly symbol was just painted there and its been there for a while think back to the university there was a whole system the Fireflies had there and the just left. 4) There is a piece of concept art for TLOUP2 where Ellie is playing a guitar and there's a whole army of people in armor. Like the quarantine zone you start at when Joel wakes up. </div>

1. There could be many Fireflies left throughout the country. Joel only damaged the Salt Lake City group, and there were quite a few chasing him as he escaped the hospital. 2. Their current leader and number of surviving outposts are unknown. 3. It is possible that the people she killed weren't Fireflies, but at least one of the corpses in the trailer had a yellow Firefly armband, and the Firefly insignia is sprayed on a stop sign. 4. That's just fan art.

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A Fandom user·1/11/2017

<div class="quote"> M67PattonZippo wrote: <div class="quote">Quote:
Alright I have a couple things I want to say really fast. 1) If it is the fireflies that Ellie wants to kill every last one of them how many are left of the fireflies. Seriously think about how many Joel did kill alot of the Fireflies when he was saving Ellie. Joel did kill Marlene 2) If it is the Fireflies who is their leader and how many outposts are there 3) Maby the people Joel and Ellie killed weren't Fireflies. Maby that Firefly symbol was just painted there and its been there for a while think back to the university there was a whole system the Fireflies had there and the just left. 4) There is a piece of concept art for TLOUP2 where Ellie is playing a guitar and there's a whole army of people in armor. Like the quarantine zone you start at when Joel wakes up. </div>

1. There could be many Fireflies left throughout the country. Joel only damaged the Salt Lake City group, and there were quite a few chasing him as he escaped the hospital. 2. Their current leader and number of surviving outposts are unknown. 3. It is possible that the people she killed weren't Fireflies, but at least one of the corpses in the trailer had a yellow Firefly armband, and the Firefly insignia is sprayed on a stop sign. 4. That's just fan art. </div> I know that the firefly insignia is spray painted but Im saying that maby thats a old base they left abandoned.

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M67PattonZippo·1/12/2017

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<div class="quote"> M67PattonZippo wrote: <div class="quote">Quote:
Alright I have a couple things I want to say really fast. 1) If it is the fireflies that Ellie wants to kill every last one of them how many are left of the fireflies. Seriously think about how many Joel did kill alot of the Fireflies when he was saving Ellie. Joel did kill Marlene 2) If it is the Fireflies who is their leader and how many outposts are there 3) Maby the people Joel and Ellie killed weren't Fireflies. Maby that Firefly symbol was just painted there and its been there for a while think back to the university there was a whole system the Fireflies had there and the just left. 4) There is a piece of concept art for TLOUP2 where Ellie is playing a guitar and there's a whole army of people in armor. Like the quarantine zone you start at when Joel wakes up. </div>

1. There could be many Fireflies left throughout the country. Joel only damaged the Salt Lake City group, and there were quite a few chasing him as he escaped the hospital. 2. Their current leader and number of surviving outposts are unknown. 3. It is possible that the people she killed weren't Fireflies, but at least one of the corpses in the trailer had a yellow Firefly armband, and the Firefly insignia is sprayed on a stop sign. 4. That's just fan art. </div> I know that the firefly insignia is spray painted but Im saying that maby thats a old base they left abandoned. </div> 
The body with the Firefly armband (black with white insignia) looked pretty fresh to me. If it was a base that was abandoned, it would've had to happen soon before the events of the trailer.

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BenRG·1/27/2017

Neil Drukmann has recently Tweeted that the ending of The Last of Us was influence by his personal politics. I have to say that this confuses me. There is nothing, IMO at least, obviously political about the ending of the first game, unless Neil was making a statement about the efficacy of revolutionary militia groups like the Fireflies, no matter how well-intentioned. Does anyone else have an insight about what he might be talking about? Furthermore, as Neil says that Part II will be similarly influenced by his politics, what may this mean for the new game?

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M67PattonZippo·1/27/2017

<div class="quote">BenRG wrote:
Neil Drukmann has recently Tweeted that the ending of The Last of Us was influence by his personal politics. I have to say that this confuses me. There is nothing, IMO at least, obviously political about the ending of the first game, unless Neil was making a statement about the efficacy of revolutionary militia groups like the Fireflies, no matter how well-intentioned. Does anyone else have an insight about what he might be talking about? Furthermore, as Neil says that Part II will be similarly influenced by his politics, what may this mean for the new game? </div>

Maybe he just meant his personal beliefs (political/social/economic)? As for how that will affect Part II, that remains to be seen, but it will likely be somewhat similar to Part I.

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Waffletz the cat·1/27/2017

Wow, their theories are very good, it would be great if Naughty Dog added a part of all, hopefully the new delivery is better than the previous one Regards!

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BenRG·1/31/2017

<div class="quote">M67PattonZippo wrote:
Maybe he just meant his personal beliefs (political/social/economic)? As for how that will affect Part II, that remains to be seen, but it will likely be somewhat similar to Part I.</div>
Update: Oh, that's disappointing. A more recent article suggests that the original tweet to Neil (since deleted) was from a user with pretty bigoted views. I suspsect that it was basically a compalint about Ellie being homosexual.

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BenRG·2/19/2017

You might want to watch this video and also this video, which has some interesting brainstorming based on early leeks from Game Informer, which I understand actually pre-dated the announcemnet trailer at PSX 2016. The maker of the video thinks that the parallels between what is said in the article and Neil's comments at the panel at PSX 2016 make the leaks far more credible. To summarise:

Game release planned for CY2018 so five years have passed both in-universe and IRL;
Ellie is main playable character;
Anna Williams (Ellie's mother) seems to be likely to be a character (in a Left Behind-style flashback maybe?); the video-maker parallels the figure standing guard on the bus in front of the fire to the cover art for 'American Daughters' which he claims is definitely Anna;
New Infected classes
Action within maps will be less controlled with much more free-roaming within each map location (more context-triggered NPC dialogue maybe?);
The story will be focussing on Ellie's search for 'answers' - Likely how it is she came to be immune and the exact role of her mother and the Fireflies in this - Neil wants us to be impressed by each new 'revelation'.

It's still mostly speculation (and he misidentifies the Ellie concept art as Anna, which undermines some of his theories), leaks and guesswork so it doesn't classify as an 'update' really but it certainly whets my appetite! I love the picture of Ellie on the Game Informer page that he shows in the video. I'm not sure if it is Part II art or not. It doesn't look anything like Ellie's costume in Winter, and I've never seen her in a hoodie before. The fact the picture has been horizontally flipped doesn't make that any easier to tell but I'm pretty sure it's at least new concept art for Part II!

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BenRG·7/28/2017

An interesting theory here to suggest that at least one level in the game is set in Seattle. So, is TLoU part II going to be the west coast expedition that I've wanted for a while? I'd love to see Ellie standing in the viewing gallery at the top the ruin of the Space Needle and murmuring to Joel: "There's another view that you can't deny!"

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LuxiTurna·7/29/2017

► Ellie is hunting down the Fireflies because either (a) they tried to seize control of Jackson or (b) threatened to destroy the town if she was not handed over to them; Surely you jest! Ellie's seething anger is NOT because someone overran the town, and it's DEFINITELYnot because someone threatened to. She is driven by hate, the mindless, evil kind. Even killing Joel could not cause that terminal hate in Ellie. The ONLY thing that could elicit that response would be if she became one with someone else (a girl), they were very very happy, and someone killed her other half—expecially if they tortured her to death in front of her just to make Ellie feel horrible. THAT would motivate this kind of overwhelming, seething, singular hate. ► Joel trying to reach her to get her to back off her vendetta Look carefully. There is actually no indication that he's trying to make her back off her vendetta. He just asks, "Are you sure you want to do this, Kiddo?" He just would rather not see Ellie killed too, which is what I'm sure he thinks will happen. (And it damn well better not!) Joel saw how much she loved her murdered GF, and he knows how fireflies killing her GF tore out her soul just like Joel's when Sarah died—only more so because it would be specifically the GF they kill, not just "everyone outside the military perimiter." He knows her revenge is legitimate. And so will we. That's why we will enjoy being her when she finds more fireflies and kills them all in a murderous rage.

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