All posts by Brainwasher5

What's up with this wiki and necro threads

I never thought I'd see a four-year necro thread.

I'd be up for that. I no longer have mod rights to thread though (by my own choice). Can a mod close this?

That's only conjecture on your part. By your own admission, I might add. Maybe people followed her to criticize her and that's why they're not liking what she's saying on twitter. I certainly know of many who follow certain politicians on twitter mainly to critcize them or laugh about them with friends.

I just really, really worry about the mental well being of much of the TLoU community. 

Oh wow, really? I totally missed that. Toss half of what I said on this thread out the window.

In Dead Space, imaginary characters are seen and can even kill the player, only for it to be revealed later that it was caused from the player's own agency. In Spec Ops: The Line, you can kill and shoot imaginary soldiers and imaginary soldiers can kill and shoot you for the point of selling the big plot twist at the end. Joel (or his ghost) carrying a gun doesn't signify that he must be alive. He doesn't kill anyone in the trailer. For all we know he could be carrying a gun to sell the illusion (though, again, I really hope that he's alive).

Maybe Joel lied to Ellie and said that by the time he reached the hospital Marlene had been killed by Fireflies or clickers. It's a dangerous world. In such a scenario Ellie could both think of Marlene as dead AND not want to go on a revenge rampage. All I'm saying is that given the very limited info we're given from the trailer and other sources so far, there's very little we can concretely say MUST be true. 

If you look at the structure of TLoU 1, there were hardly any main villains. There were infected, cannibals, hunters, the government, and fireflies, but none are purely antagonistic and you can unnderstand (if not necessarily condone) their motivations. TLoU was first and foremost a story about the relationships between Joel and Ellie. TLoU 2 might follow that; the revenge thing might just be a red herring to throw us off. 

There's a third possibility, which is that Ellie knows Joel is lying, but doesn't know what exactly he or the Fireflies did. For all we know she might think Marlene is still alive. Marlene was her mum's close friend, after all.

Ellie's fury in the trailer indicates that she lost someone or some things close to her. Why would you go on a murder rampage at some merely threatening harm? Ellie is a survivor, not a terminator. Given her actions with Joel in TLoU 1 they'd probably flee and seek allies, not go on pre-emptive rampages.

I really don't like the "Joel is dead" theory, because the whole someone who follows you around but is *plot twist* revealed to be inside your head has been done to death and Druckmann specifically said they weren't making a TLoU 2 if there wasn't a story worth telling (so they'd hopefully be avoiding clichéd tropes?). The other possibility will be the loss of a person at the dam, or people at the dam, or maybe even everyone at the dam. 

I'm not sure the Fireflies will be the main villains in the game. For all we know the graffiti on the sign could be decades old, and the people she killed could just be hunters or cannibals or other survivors.

More Ellie is definitely a plus.

In general, I think that you may be assigning more value to life (or in this case, simulated life) than the average gamer. I haven't played TLoU for quite some time now, but if I recall correctly there were segments of the game where you could choose to kill or avoid your enemies (the first encounter with the government comes to mind), but there were also segments of the game where you had to kill everyone in an area in order to progress, even when it didn't necessarily make sense to do so. Most people who play games are able to recognize that while killing in real life is obviously wrong, it's ok in a video game, so this detail probably flew over their (and my) heads.

This was a very interesting post. I'll get back to you on it in the afternoon.

You clearly care; otherwise you wouldn't have necroed a dead topic that has been discussed to death for the umpteenth time. As to why it's important, two reasons. First, declaring Ellie to be straight--or claiming that her sexuality doesn't matter--is a mightily convenient thing to say for one of the only LGBTQ characters. It's LGBTQ erasure in a game chock full of straight characters. Ever notice how literally no one on the planet jumps to their keyboards the moment a character is revealed to be straight with lines like "I think he's actually gay" or "it doesn't matter!!!!111///"? Secondly, I can't find your claim that Naughty Dog "confirmed" that Ellie is bi. The closest I've found is who cares?--from the game director Bruce Straley.

Random fandom user, you don't get to dismiss primary sources. That's now how laying out arguments work. Johnson received instruction from Druckmann on how to portray the character, not the other way round. Just because VAs have opinions on their characters (since they, you know, voice them for years it's kind of inevitable) doesn't make them 100% acceptable sources. In the holy quote from Johnson you keep bringing up, she merely states that "it does not matter" to her; in an ideal world, people wouldn't be fantasizing and freaking out so much about a fictional 14 year old's sexuality. This wiki's visitors have, disappointingly, overwhelmingly demonstrated to the contrary. You people literally will not stop bringing up Ellie's sexuality, regardless of how long the game has been out.

Considering how Druckmann was given full artistic license over how to develop the story, it's actually laughable to call into question whether he had a leadership role in planning said story. 

I don't speak for all in the LGBTQ community, but I'm getting sick and tired of the "omg this character might not be gay/is confused/is just going through a phase/totally still fits in my straight fanfic" line of thought. As Straley and Johnson have both stated, it ought not to matter, but people like you insist on continually necroing it.

I'm closing this thread to prevent such necros again; I should have done it years ago. If either of you have anything new to say (please note, new), message me on my wall. 

The VA of Ellie is only responsible for voicing the lines. Druckmann imagined and wrote up the character in the first place; he has authority over this more than Ashley Johnson in terms of story.

It's not about "insecurity", it's about laying out the facts. You can wave a piece of paper in my face and tell me that it is a ball until the cows come home, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a piece of paper.

Why are YOU so insecure about a plot point that was clarified and cleared up by the director and storyboarders years ago? See? You don't like how childish that sounds? Don't do it to other users on this wiki.

You know he was director and writer of the game, right?

Jessica Gray from Outlast 2. 

Druckmann has stated, directly, that she's gay. 

So, the "nuh Ellie is totally straight in my headcanon" was an issue THAT long ago, huh?

On my monitor, they're about the same color as "American Daughters", which is resolutely purple. I guess I could try looking on other computers or changing my monitor settings, but all the other colors seem to look right.

Why is there hair in the picture? Why are there clouds in the picture? Why are there trees in the picture? Sometimes a flower is just a flower. It makes the ground (or in this case car) look more interesting. Not everything has to be symbolism.

Civilians use gas masks. (American) Civilians often have guns. Soldiers are soldiers because they have uniforms designating them so. Many military personnel don't have guns (or gas masks). I didn't.