As noted, he doesn't specify that the Shamblers are an alternate stage 4 Infected. He specifically says "new stage", which indicates that the Shamblers come after Bloaters, rather than as an alternative.
If you lack a source that claim, in-game or not, then I'm afraid we can't directly state that as such.
I was basing my edit on the Shambler Note which says it made it halfway to Bloater then took a different path. But you could also say that this is just one wlf soldier's interpretation. Unfortunatly, unlike the original 4 stages, we don't have a CDC document describing the Shamblers.
Does "new stage" necessarily imply succession? Or could it just mean different?
Either way, I don't have a conclusive source, so I'll revert my edit.
No, you have provided us an in-game source, which is the best soruce to provide. Since in-game narrative is the most reliable source (as all our interpretations are drawn from what the game tells us) that source will do to justify it. That is, unless another in-game source counters that WLF's remarks.
The way a source is valued is like this --> in-game information > Real world comments, but real world comments are acceptable for trivia sections and points where an in-game reference is not available.
Figured I'd chime in, but as Jgmortim said, the note provides us a good hint. I'd say shamblers are a stage before bloaters, however only happen under certain circumstances. The note suggests that it's because of the rain, which could be possible. I feel like the devs put that note in the game to give us a better idea on shamblers so I wouldn't doubt that's how it is. They're also nowhere near as strong as bloaters so that might be an indication as well.
Yeah. The funny thing is though that they're weaker than Clickers as well as they don't instant kill players when grappling them.
My personal theory is like this:
Runners are stage 1: wild and weak, typical running zombies.
However, then we get a split occuring after this.
Stalkers are stage 2a: agile, strong and extremely stealthy
Clickers are stage 2b: blind, super-strong but wild like Runners
Then we this evolution
Shamblers are 3a: Bulky, puss filled, armoured and agile
Bloaters are 3b: Bulky, super-strong, heavily armored, but wild like Runners
So, to sum it, the two Infected evolution branches are as follows:
A) Runners --> Stalkers --> Shamblers
B) Runners --> Clickers --> Bloaters
My support for this comes from the Stalkers. It makes little sense for the Infected to evolve to become stealthy, completely antithetical to the wild, hyper state of Runners only to then revert back to that as Clickers. Therefore, to me, the inclusion of Shamblers confirms this branching path of Infected evolution because the lore for both Stalkers and Shamblers has them heavily associated with water whereas Clickers and Bloaters are in dense, spore-filled environments. Granted, there is now a counter in Part II because Stalkers can now fuse to walls in spore-filled areas, but that appears an anomaly to the rest of their lore.
Still, this is only a theory though and not really supported in-game. ^_^
I really like your theory, but I don't think it's what ND intended (based on the CDC document found in both games). Which is unfortunate given it makes a lot of sense. Especially considering Stalkers are only encountered twice in tlou1, it makes sense that we don't see any Shamblers (from a probability standpoint).
I have a theory to propose regarding infected behavior. Runners have basic zombie intelligence and behavior because the fungus does have complete fine control of brain (it has completely taken over the host, but does not yet have fine motor control). Next, as the fungus spreads, it gains this fine motor control as well as better use of the host sensory organs, however as it sreads, it starts to distroy certain parts of the host, like the face. Later, one the infection has further grown, it completely destroys the upper fase and eyes as well as certain parts of the brain. In the process it loses it fine motor controls and it's ability to see in exchange for armor and greater strength as a clicker.
Next depending on environment conditions the infected becomes either a Bloater or a Shambler. Water is the suggested catalyst for Shamblers, but we find Shamblers in Santa Barbara, which is a very dry place. Perhaps it has something to do with the west coast. Or maybe it's just a mutation that has occurred sometime over 20+ years (which was promoted by water). And now this new mutation of the fungus is spreading out from Seattle. Given how aggressive and strong a Bloater is, it makes sense that a Shambler would be better at spreading the infection as people would be more likely to survive an encounter with a Shambler than an encounter with a Bloater. This is why there are more Shamblers then Bloaters in Part II. This theory suggests that there are two stains of the fungus, one that creates Bloaters and one that creates Shambler. But nothing in-game suggests multiple strains.
Would it be possible to limit the editing abilities of Lev's page to that of verified users? I know that it doesn't stop those who create an account just to go and vandalize articles, but it's an extra step in their way and I feel like it would possibly (I really, really hope) discourage the less persistent of said vandals from keeping at it. Sorry if I'm out of place on this, I don't mean to bother with this. Vandalism, especially when it comes to stuff about pronouns and sexuality, really gets to me.
Verytallfox wrote: ... I know that it doesn't stop those who create an account just to go and vandalize articles, ...
Well, actually it limits "new and unregistered users", so if the page is locked then just making a new account with the intention to vandalize won't work. I don't know what qualifies as "new user" though, if it's an "amount of edits" thing or if it's a "you have to be on the wiki for x amount of days".
Sorry this is happening, Verytallfox. It happens everywhere there's a trans character. Some people are just hateful The most we can do is protect Lev.
Snivystorm, I know this is not my place to say, but there's a user that has made 9 edits in the past two days and 7 of them is just going through Lev's page and changing all of his pronouns. -.- (and the other two contributions are them arguing misinformed and grammatically incorrect nonesense on Lev's talk page)
Sorry for commenting on a personal wall conversation, sorry if it was inappropriate. I just feel Lev needs to be protected and we've had a very similar situation on another wiki.
One of my colleagues has resolved the matter and spoken with the individual. As stated, if they try it one more time, they will face an extensive block. I'll personally be proposing a 3 month long ban in our staff meetings. Transphobia is unacceptable, especially in this day and age.
I am requesting permission to edit Joel’s page as I have seen gameplay and I can change something. I can’t say here, otherwise I can spoil the game. If you message me on my profile, I can explain there.
FEDRA is like the FEMA we know today. So Fedra is a civilian agency and when the military took over, they fell under the Military. Highly doubt they do anything. It's the CDC that looks for a vaccine and the military that does the protecting and supplying. I'm asking permission to change the info that The Military page gives us.
May I ask what it is you actually intend to change? Are you thinking FEDRA doesn't do anything? Is so, where in-game do we learn that? Plus, if you lack a source, then it is speculation, which is not allowed.
No, Im not thinking FEDRA doesn't do anything. I want to remove Fedra the first sentence in the second paragraph ("At some point after the initial CBI outbreak, FEDRA and the military replaced the civilian leadership of the U.S. government"). Once martial law is kicked in, its just the military that takes over leadership, not federal agencies. However, in operations of disaster relief the military and FEDRA can work together to solve an issue. My evidence to this is my political science knowlege since Im in college pursuing a bachleor degree in Political Science. What is speculation that I wont add in is the cdc part. Sorry for not being specific I was tired last night after rewriting papers three times.
So your source is real world knowledge about FEMA from your degree?
I am afraid that such is not an in-game source. This wiki deals with information that comes from the game and The Last of Us universe. Everything in the game, while arguably based on real life, is not the same as in the real world. Therefore, real world knowledge does not count on articles beyond the "Trivia" sections.
If you wish to argue that FEDRA would not actually take a leadership role in an apocalyptic world, that is best left to forum discussions rather than the TLOU articles, which rely on information found in the games, rather than speculation from the real world.
also, it wasn't intended as an ad. The link went to a dozen different brands of that awful fungus. is that ok, or should I link to a picture of a jar of that stuff? I figured that people would think the pic was fake since the idea of eating it is so awful.