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  • That the fireflies may have had an ulterior motive for killing Ellie? This is a new idea of mine, so this theory of mind could have a flaw that I overlooked, but I throw it out there and see what you people think. Consider this, the Fireflies are fighting the Military and are losing. I theorize that Marlene and the Fireflies consider finding a vaccine for the infection there best chance (or hell there only chance) at changing the tide and making the Fireflies strong enough again to beat the Military. Having the vaccine would give the Fireflies a lot of power, maybe enough to overthrow the Military but I think that they would want to stay in power after they got it. The best way the could do that is to be the only group with the vaccine. So that means that they'll have to keep Ellie a secret and make sure no one finds out that they got what they needed for the vaccine from her. But that would be hard to do, they couldn't just let her go afterwards in case anyone finds out, goes after her and makes a vaccine themselves. 

    So what do they do? They say that they have to kill her in order to get what the need from her of course. It would be easier to defend some information and whatever then a living person. And the only way they could kill her and not be viewed as evil or whatever is if they say they had to kill her to be able to make a vaccine. I don't ever remember if the Fireflies even attempted to find anyother way to get what they need from Ellie without killing her. I can see Marlene doing something like this, I mean she's coldhearted enought to just go ahead and kill her good friend (Ellie's mom) daughter without her consent for this vaccine. And even though Marlene raised Ellie (found this out in the letter in Ellie's backpack from her mother, kind of seem like Anna died soon after Ellie was born and that she wrote that see was trusting Marlene to raise Ellie) since she was very little, she never from a strong Motherly bond with Ellie and I don't think Ellie though much of Marlene. Ellie said that Marlene was " just a friend" and when arguing with Joel after she ran away from Tommy's place she said everyone she cared about either died or left her, so she feels that Marlene abandoned her. What does that tell you about Marlene?

    This is just a thought of mine and I could be totally wrong in some of my thoughts her, but again I just thought that I'd put it out there and see what people think.

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    • As far as in game stuff, there hasn't been anything to suggest thy has ulterior motives, but I could see it fitting into the story that the Fireflies wanted to take advantage of the situation for their idea of the "greater good" if uch a case were real. I have a mixed opinion of the Fireflies. I don't view thm as heroes. At the beginning of the game, I frowned upon the Fireflies making that crazy bombing explosion right in Boston's quarantine zone. I can see their target was the military, but why drag civilians into that mess? In that way, thy are harming both sides. And thn there was also the mention of the Fireflies having freed previous quarantine zones fom military control, but they I'd not have the desired results. Just to think about the Hunters Joel and Ellie encountered in the abandoned quarantine zones makes me imagine what happened there. I have a hypothetical guess it's possible some of those Hunters could be former Fireflies who lost their way with the militia cause and decided to just live for surviving instead of "saving the world".

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    • Read my post now, I should have stated that I really don't have any evidence from the game about this, that's a me bad.

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    • 107.204.248.89 wrote:
      That the fireflies may have had an ulterior motive for killing Ellie? This is a new idea of mine, so this theory of mind could have a flaw that I overlooked, but I throw it out there and see what you people think. Consider this, the Fireflies are fighting the Military and are losing. I theorize that Marlene and the Fireflies consider finding a vaccine for the infection there best chance (or hell there only chance) at changing the tide and making the Fireflies strong enough again to beat the Military. Having the vaccine would give the Fireflies a lot of power, maybe enough to overthrow the Military but I think that they would want to stay in power after they got it. The best way the could do that is to be the only group with the vaccine. So that means that they'll have to keep Ellie a secret and make sure no one finds out that they got what they needed for the vaccine from her. But that would be hard to do, they couldn't just let her go afterwards in case anyone finds out, goes after her and makes a vaccine themselves. 

      Its very possible on what your saying, but with the cordycepts virus you have to kill the host, which in this case would be Ellie. Also another thing is that, Joel didnt lie to her when this happened, for instance what might have occured was that after Marlene was shot they decided to stop looking for a cure, just due to the fact that it was so dangerous. its just a thought, but yes I agree with what your saying, but even marlene and the surgeons said it them self We gotta kill the goddamn kid.

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    • 107.204.248.89 wrote: Read my post now, I should have stated that I really don't have any evidence from the game about this, that's a me bad.

      Oh, that's okay. I was trying to be clear about how we haven't seen evidence in the game, but I agreed your theory of them having an ulterior motive is very possible because we don't know very much of what kind of workings they were doing behind the scenes and what else they intended to do from extracting Ellie's brain. It leaves room for possibilities.

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