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  • Me, personally, have such mixed feelings about the ending. Since we witnessed Joel and Ellie grow closer over their journey and Joel get his humanity back in a way or sort of come back from a dark place he was in for a long time, it's easy to see why he'd shoot up the hospital to save Ellie. She was his silver lining in a really shitty world. But at the same time, he knew Ellie would have wanted to do waht she could for the greater good. She tells him that their trip can't be for nothing. And he also destroyed the world's chance at ever reclaiming itself and mankind. But then at the same time...it's been over twenty years since the world ended. Cities are destroyed and people have turned to cannibalism. Can the world really just go back? After seeing the kinds of people in Pittsburg and in David's town, I douby they could. Furthermore, the surgeon said on the one recorder that dozens of men and women have made sacrifices for the benefit to find the cure. Were there others immune? Could Ellie's possible death could have been for nothing? I am like torn down the middle here. What do you guys think?

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    • Uh, first of all, Ellie didnt know she was going to be sacrificed, and second, the surgeons said that Ellie's immunity is different from what they have tested before, and I dont think the world will go back to normal, It's mother nature' decision, xD

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    • Well... Joel is a human. Naughty Dog really plays with our feelings in this game, but there was a reason why they didn't give you a choice at the end. At the beginning, Joel carries Sarah, scared and confused. He runs from the Infected, and is almost to safety. There he is faced with the soldier. Since the outbreak was recent, nobody had developed scanners. The soldiers had no way of knowing if they were infected. Even though the soldier didn't want to kill them("but sir, there's a little girl...") he chose to make a sacrifice for the greater good. Joel lost Sarah because of that. At the end, running from the fireflies, carrying Ellie in his arms, he's almost to safety, where he is again confronted. This time by Marlene, who wants to take his "baby girl" and dissect her like a lab rat. Joel thus makes the obvious choice to him, not wanting history to repeat. If you, as the player were given the choice to rip Joel apart again, to utterly crush him, would you do it?

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    • A lot of people interpret her final "okay" a a statement of acceptance, that she doesnt really believes him but chooses to accept the lie in order to move on. That is the interpretation that i want to believe. My only problem with that take is that her "okay" sounds "flippant", like "aha, so thats how you wanna play it ...". But then she slightly nods her head, that could be read as a sign of acceptance.

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    • Powerful as the ending was, I don't think that Ellie's sacrifice would have been the answer to humanity's ills regarding the Cordyceps fungus. She would have been dead and the Fireflies would have had to move on to find their next possible miracle cure. Maybe a sequel will prove my statement wrong, but we'll find out. I think Joel did the right thing. Even with a cure there's no way civilization will return to what was once "normal" anytime soon, the good guys still have the bad guys and the infected to contend with.

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    • Sorry for my bad english. :)

      The end was a very logic issue in my opinion.

      Marlene was mentally exhaused and sad by the previous events of these last weeks and her arguments about Ellie and Joel with the other firelfies. She wanted to end this as quick as possible. She knew Ellie would accept this sacrifice. She also knew Joel loved Ellie but didn't even try to manage his feeling. I'm pretty sure she never asked her about the surgery or would answer to Joel something like "I asked her and she's agree. This is what she wants" and not "you know (in your mind) this is what she wants".

      By the way i also think it's strange that Ellie didn't write a letter to tell him goodbye and explain her choices and ask him to respect them. I can't see her leaving him like this without a goodbye when she knew he would deserve it. Instead Marlene told him that if he tried anything, like see Ellie before the surgery, they would kill him.

      At the end, Joel has no other choice than doing what he did. shot Ethan to know where Ellie was because every second counted. Kill the fireflies in the stairway who tried to kill him. Kill the head surgeron who tried to kill both Joel and Ellie and then kill Marlene to protect Ellie. We can kill all the other fireflies, but this is optional, and that's why he used a chair to block the door, because ND made possible to sneak throught the fireflies, it means in the story he doesn't kill all of them.



      In Jackson, we can see Joel's behavior changes. he's more open about his feelings, he broke these walls he built around him to show her that he care about her and try to give her the best. His behavior also give me the feeling that he's trying to cheer her up : "Sarah and I used to take hikes like this". It sounds to me like an invitation and he expects Ellie would ask him if they could do it together, because it would means that he took the right decision and she enjoys life, she wants to live. Ellie's answer clearly show that she get what he's trying to do and his answer about the fireflies just confirmed what she already thought about him. that he lied to her since they had left the hospital and her trust in him is broken (at least for a while).

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    • I think Joel's choice was because he couldn't loose Ellie. Like her, eryone had"either died or left [me, in reference to Ellie] ". It would be logical to save your daughter, even if it was selfish. He'd also be saving the people who tried to kill him if he let her die, that is if they could recreate the vaccine. Even the doctors saod " please dont kill me" but they were about to take a little girls life. So I do agree with what Joel did.

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    • Maseflakeza wrote:
      Sorry for my bad english. :)

      The end was a very logic issue in my opinion.

      Marlene was mentally exhaused and sad by the previous events of these last weeks and her arguments about Ellie and Joel with the other firelfies. She wanted to end this as quick as possible. She knew Ellie would accept this sacrifice. She also knew Joel loved Ellie but didn't even try to manage his feeling. I'm pretty sure she never asked her about the surgery or would answer to Joel something like "I asked her and she's agree. This is what she wants" and not "you know (in your mind) this is what she wants".

      By the way i also think it's strange that Ellie didn't write a letter to tell him goodbye and explain her choices and ask him to respect them. I can't see her leaving him like this without a goodbye when she knew he would deserve it. Instead Marlene told him that if he tried anything, like see Ellie before the surgery, they would kill him.

      At the end, Joel has no other choice than doing what he did. shot Ethan to know where Ellie was because every second counted. Kill the fireflies in the stairway who tried to kill him. Kill the head surgeron who tried to kill both Joel and Ellie and then kill Marlene to protect Ellie. We can kill all the other fireflies, but this is optional, and that's why he used a chair to block the door, because ND made possible to sneak throught the fireflies, it means in the story he doesn't kill all of them.



      In Jackson, we can see Joel's behavior changes. he's more open about his feelings, he broke these walls he built around him to show her that he care about her and try to give her the best. His behavior also give me the feeling that he's trying to cheer her up : "Sarah and I used to take hikes like this". It sounds to me like an invitation and he expects Ellie would ask him if they could do it together, because it would means that he took the right decision and she enjoys life, she wants to live. Ellie's answer clearly show that she get what he's trying to do and his answer about the fireflies just confirmed what she already thought about him. that he lied to her since they had left the hospital and her trust in him is broken (at least for a while)

      I agree

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    • I'd call it a cheap tug on the heartstrings, but who am I to say that when I almost teared up to the ending?

      Joel...I'll refrain from commenting on the morality of it, because I'm not sure if I could give my brother up for 'the greater good' whatever the hell that means. Pretty sure he'd be the same with me.

      The gunpoint showdown is such an obvious mirror to the beginning it feels redundant to even bring it up, but it's clear Ellie has, at least to some degree, taken Sarah's place. Him talking about Sarah feels like asking for approval.

      I get a strong feeling that Joel is the kind of guy who is as merciless to his enemies as he tries to give his best to those he holds dear to him.

      I think it's significant that even though Tess is initially friendier to Ellie, Joel is the one left behind while Tess goes to inspect the guns. I can't put my finger on it but it feels important.

      Finally, I really wanna see whoever was responsible for this Cordyceps crap--it went too bad too fast to be some random mutation. I really want to tie the villain up and hand him over to Jigsaw or Ginosaji or whoever can make him/her suffer.

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    • Even if they did make a vaccine from Ellie, the Fireflies are too small of a faction. I wonder if the Military found out Ellie was the "cure". Sometimes, I think the military is the good faction. I'd be happy living in a Quarantine than out there.

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    • Instead of possibly taking out Ellie's brain, they could've taken a sample of the fungus growing around her brain, cultured the sample, and used it to make a vaccine. And if worse comes to worse, pick another immune person that's willing to sacrifice them self. OH MY GOD IT'S AMAZING! IT'S SO SMART!

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    • MaverickAtom wrote:
      Instead of possibly taking out Ellie's brain, they could've taken a sample of the fungus growing around her brain, cultured the sample, and used it to make a vaccine. And if worse comes to worse, pick another immune person that's willing to sacrifice them self. OH MY GOD IT'S AMAZING! IT'S SO SMART!

      I'm sure there's much more to brain surgery than that. It's the post apocalypse, 20 years, you cant really crack a dudes melon and put it back together, hand him some antibiotics and send him on his way.

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