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  • Hey NFG! ^_^

    As expected, the trailer at E3 sparked more editing than usual and I figured it'd be a good time to clarify some categories.

    Given the new characters, editors have been adding [[Category:The Last of Us Part II Characters]] to pages. Does this mean we should add a similar named category to those who were in the previous game? We already have [[Category:Characters]] as the over arching category so should we now include a category to differentiate between both games?

    As I see it, it goes like so: Dina - Part II character, Character categories Ellie - Last of Us 1 character, Part II character, Character Tommy - Last of Us 1 character, Character

    My only concern is what to name the first game's category. Simply call it The Last of Us Characters?

    Thanks! :D

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    • Hey there, Snivy. Sorry for such a late response, I was on vacation. Anyway, yes, we should categorize characters as such. For me, the categories should go a little something like this:

      • Characters
        • The Last of Us characters
        • The Last of Us II characters
        • The Last of Us: Left Behind characters
        • Male characters
        • Female characters
        • Members of the Fireflies
        • Members of the Military

      Of course it isn't going to be exactly like that but I believe that is an ideal way to organize our character categories.

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    • It's all good, hope you had a fun vacation! Glad to have you back :D

      Sounds like a thorough way to categorise them, though we do already have categories for the respective groups.

      I take it we are doing similar with the weapons pages as well? Such coming out in a format like:

      Weapons > The Last of Us weapons > Left Behind weapons > Part II weapons

      With each weapon them being categorised into their respective type (melee, pistol, long-gun etc)?

      Side note: We could suggest these in the forums if you'd like?

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    • Yup, I've already added such categories to the Bow page so you have an idea. That is a better format of categorization so I hope we can reform the wiki using it and get this poor categorization out of the way.

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    • Indeed. Shall we get cracking on it then or put it up to the community first?

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    • I'd rather start on it first. Even though it is a major change to the wiki, it's for sure a better one that needs to be done for the sake of maintenance so I don't think the community input will be needed.

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    • Alrighty then, I'll get to it. We adding in a Faction Weapons category as well?

      I've even come across other category pages that are just kind of there, like [[Category:Long guns]] and [[Category:Long barreled guns]] and even a [[Category:The Last of Us long guns]]. Are we doing away with all of them (and any other categories just like them, like pistols, melee, and the like) or are we keeping them and have a very in-depth categorization process, which will probably warrant a highlighted notice to all editors about?

      Also, ND stated that the game will have the enemies refer to each other by name - this means they're gonna be a ton of named characters now, but with scattered line references (and likely going to be repeated/different for each player) is it worth adding them to the list of known members?

      Some editors are already adding them to the pages, as seen here: https://thelastofus.wikia.com/index.php?title=Seraphite&diff=80136&oldid=80125

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    • I would personally just keep "Long guns" as a category as opposed to the other ones. However, we can additonally add "[game] long guns" if we do want an in depth categorization system; there wouldn't be anything wrong with that.

      As for the enemy names, we've added such characters to the wiki before so I don't see why it wouldn't be appropriate. For now, we'll just add them to the known members section and wait for further gameplay to see how this works exactly. 

      Thanks!

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    • So this means we are having "category" -> "[Game] category" for everything?

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    • As long as that category appears in multiple games, then yes.

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    • Also, when re-doing categories, make sure words like "characters" and "weapons" are not capitalized. For example, use the category "The Last of Us Part II characters" instead of "The Last of Us Part II Characters" because they register as different categories and we want the wiki as uniform as possible.

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    • Okay, does this include the male and female categories, or is that too meticulous?

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    • What are you referring to? Like "The Last of Us male characters"?

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    • Yeah, and the subsequently needed Part II, Left Behind, American Dreams (etc) categories

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    • I don't believe that's needed. If they're male, then they're male. Doesn't really matter what game they are in, that's why the other game categories are used.

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    • Sweet, saves us a job :D

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    • By the way, is the [[Category:Multiplayer]] purpose to house practically everything in multiplayer, including Part II?

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    • No, that category really serves no purpose being on any article. Replace that one with "Factions MP weapons" or "Factions MP skills" or whatever. But the Multiplayer category should be removed from articles.

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    • Nice, I've went ahead and removed a good chunk of the category, just the hats left to do now ^_^

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    • Alright, good job. As long as the wiki and page organization, as well as these redlinks we have left, get finished before tons of Part II information, I'll be content. It's good to see some progress being made, hopefully other people will jump in.

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    • Thanks. Same, that's my aim - best to prepare now rather than rush and panic on release day.

      Hopefully others will, but then our community has been pretty quiet for years - I personally think we'll only have surplus 10 daily editors once the game actually releases.

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    • Yeah, we will for sure have plenty editors when Part II comes around. But it'll be nice to finish our to-do list before that happens so we can solely focus on new information. 

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    • Precisely! :)

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    • Just a quick check, is this category worthless too?:

      https://thelastofus.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Left_Behind

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    • Snivystorm wrote:
      Just a quick check, is this category worthless too?:

      https://thelastofus.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Left_Behind

      I would say it is. We can make more specific categories, like Left Behind characters, weapons, etc

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    • Then consider it deleted ahah

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    • Minor foolist question, how do we classify character in the category: https://thelastofus.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Unknown_status_characters

      As in, how do we assert their fates are unknown? I mean, surely every character who is not in the presence of the player is classed as unknown as we only know a character's status based on what condition they were in when we saw them last. we assert characters like Ellie are alive because we saw them alive but we characters like Henry and Sam re dead because we saw them die. But then we have awkward ones like Bill. We know he's alive because we last saw him alive, but time's past - meaning we don't know for a fact he's alive, we just assume he is, when there's a chance he may have died. Obviously, this is all speculation - but then that's why it's come to mind. If we can't say for sure, why bother saying "we don't know"?

      Also, if a character is "Mentioned-Only", is it worth adding "Mentioned" as well to the page or does that just clog that category with double the articles, making the former a refined version of the latter?

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    • For characters such as Bill, we would classify him as being alive since he was last we saw him. If we learned that he was dead or otherwise hinted that he may not be alive, then we would change his status. Most mentioned characters would be classified as "unknown" since we physically don't know if they're alive or dead.

      As for your mentioned statement, I don't quite understand what you mean. Would you mind elaborating?

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    • That's cool, I get it now - thanks for the clarification! :D

      NinjaFatGuy wrote: As for your mentioned statement, I don't quite understand what you mean. Would you mind elaborating?

      What I mean is we have two categories - "Mentioned" and "Mentioned-only". I was making a point that - given most characters that were mentioned were only mentioned, we have two categories containing the exact same stock of characters (mostly) much like the "Survivors" and "Characters" dilemma we had.

      However, I've noticed today the "Mentioned-only" category is gone - so it seems the "unneeded" category has been deleted anyway.

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    • "Mentioned characters" should be the only category we need when it pertains to that. However, it should only appear on mentioned-only character articles such as most characters mentioned in artifacts who don't ever physically appear.

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    • Hey fellas, 

      would this mean that Frank does not count as a "mentioned character" considering we see his corpse in Lincoln?

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    • Swilky wrote:
      Hey fellas, 

      would this mean that Frank does not count as a "mentioned character" considering we see his corpse in Lincoln?

      It would, except there are 2 Franks mentioned in the game. The first is Bill's partner; the second is the guy mentioned in the note that Joel can find in a spore-filled area of Boston.

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    • M67PattonZippo wrote:

      Swilky wrote:
      Hey fellas, 

      would this mean that Frank does not count as a "mentioned character" considering we see his corpse in Lincoln?

      It would, except there are 2 Franks mentioned in the game. The first is Bill's partner; the second is the guy mentioned in the note that Joel can find in a spore-filled area of Boston.

      That's a frustrating one - it's clear the two Franks are the same person, but because we lack a sufficient - point blank - statement confirming them as such, we're forced to fuse their pages (thus their categories) into one.

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