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  • It says that she can't get infected but when you play as her and you get grabbed by a clicker you basically die e.e

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    • she may be immune to the infection, but that doesn't make her immune to bleeding out after a chunk of flesh is ripped out.....

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    • Lol. This is one huge spoiler saying she can't get infected for those that have just started.

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    • Yea, having a chunk bitten out of your neck basically kills ya.

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    • Getting your throat ripped out kills you.

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    • Because being immune to a disease makes you invincible *sarcasm* :D

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    • Yea now we can play as Ellie on survivor difficulty and NEVER DIE! *sarcasm*

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    • But Ellie's only played in the winter chapter and at the end of the game.

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    • TheGuyThatWasTheGuy wrote:
      But Ellie's only played in the winter chapter and at the end of the game.

      ._.


      SPOILER! SPOILER!

      LOL! JK!

      well looks like something tolook forward too.

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    • She maybe immune but that dosen't mean she can't die being eatin the fuck alive.


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    • Could the fireflies just take a blood sample and look into the blood cells for the antibodies fighting off the infection to create a vacine?

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    • 98.229.33.174 wrote:
      Could the fireflies just take a blood sample and look into the blood cells for the antibodies fighting off the infection to create a vacine?

      I really really don't want to answer that question because if I do, many many people will start yelling at me for spoilers (and I'd yell at myself) because that is probably the biggest, or one of the biggest spoilers in the game.

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    • Sexywednesday wrote:
      98.229.33.174 wrote:
      Could the fireflies just take a blood sample and look into the blood cells for the antibodies fighting off the infection to create a vacine?
      I really really don't want to answer that question because if I do, many many people will start yelling at me for spoilers (and I'd yell at myself) because that is probably the biggest, or one of the biggest spoilers in the game.

      Well an answer without spoilers would simply be:

      That is not how you make a vaccine. You don't simply take a blood sample, instead you need to replicate the conditions and from there it would simply be a trial and error until you make something that works. Replicating the conditions would mean taking something more than just a blood sample which would be highly inaccurate.

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    • that "answer without spoilers" doesn't answer anything. What does that mean "replicate the conditions"...... and that is how you can make a vaccine....... you COULD isolate the specific strain from a blood sample then cultivate it until you get a strain that's lacking the lethality, viruality, or infectiousness of the original disease. (i believe that's how they make live-vaccines). All that's required to make a vaccine is that specific strain that causes the disease. You could totally get that from a blood sample.

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    • Sexywednesday wrote:
      that "answer without spoilers" doesn't answer anything. What does that mean "replicate the conditions"...... and that is how you can make a vaccine....... you COULD isolate the specific strain from a blood sample then cultivate it until you get a strain that's lacking the lethality, viruality, or infectiousness of the original disease. (i believe that's how they make live-vaccines). All that's required to make a vaccine is that specific strain that causes the disease. You could totally get that from a blood sample.


      But this is what happens with doctors who don't have medical licences.

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    • Sexywednesday wrote:
      that "answer without spoilers" doesn't answer anything. What does that mean "replicate the conditions"...... and that is how you can make a vaccine....... you COULD isolate the specific strain from a blood sample then cultivate it until you get a strain that's lacking the lethality, viruality, or infectiousness of the original disease. (i believe that's how they make live-vaccines). All that's required to make a vaccine is that specific strain that causes the disease. You could totally get that from a blood sample.

      Here is an expansion of my explanation...after all, I said in my first post that that was a simpler explanation and I do hope you understand my view even better:

      What I meant was you need a culture of the said infection and as far as I know, getting it from a blood sample would be different than growing your own, which is why they needed the source which is in the brain. Is it possible to cultivate spores? I don't think so, but as for a fungus it is possible. And this fungus is inside her brain. I am no expert so feel free to bash me when I say I think the infection in an infected's blood are just spores while the fungus is inside the brain...Which explains why they need the brain and not the blood. This is in-game logic however.

      I do however disagree with the game's logic because we all know for a fact that you can make cultures of bacteria (but I have to point out again that in-game, it is NOT a bacteria/virus so culturing it would be different but possible ofcourse) from blood samples. Once again with the technicalities, but the impact of the story would have been different if they just took a blood sample.

      If I recall correctly that's what Joel also thought when Ellie asked him what he thinks the Fireflies are going to do to her. He said "they'll probably get a blood sample and run some tests". He was so very wrong hahaha.

      Oh and I forgot to clear something up. This has been bugging me ever since the argument about that vaccine thing started. A vaccine is a weakend/dormant/dead virus that can't do any bodily harm and to get it, they need a sample. BUT Ellie's infection is just the same as any other infected. What I am saying is that her immunity is not because she got infected by a different type of fungus, but because there is something different about her anatomy that saved her. So ultimately, taking a fungal sample from her would just be like taking a sample from an infected. So I believe they are not after the fungus inside Ellie, rather they are after what is in Ellie that is stopping the fungus from causing havoc. Can anyone relate to what I am saying here? lol

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    • Croouu wrote:
      Sexywednesday wrote:
      that "answer without spoilers" doesn't answer anything. What does that mean "replicate the conditions"...... and that is how you can make a vaccine....... you COULD isolate the specific strain from a blood sample then cultivate it until you get a strain that's lacking the lethality, viruality, or infectiousness of the original disease. (i believe that's how they make live-vaccines). All that's required to make a vaccine is that specific strain that causes the disease. You could totally get that from a blood sample.
      Here is an expansion of my explanation...after all, I said in my first post that that was a simpler explanation and I do hope you understand my view even better:

      What I meant was you need a culture of the said infection and as far as I know, getting it from a blood sample would be different than growing your own, which is why they needed the source which is in the brain. Is it possible to cultivate spores? I don't think so, but as for a fungus it is possible. And this fungus is inside her brain. I am no expert so feel free to bash me when I say I think the infection in an infected's blood are just spores while the fungus is inside the brain...Which explains why they need the brain and not the blood. This is in-game logic however.

      I do however disagree with the game's logic because we all know for a fact that you can make cultures of bacteria (but I have to point out again that in-game, it is NOT a bacteria/virus so culturing it would be different but possible ofcourse) from blood samples. Once again with the technicalities, but the impact of the story would have been different if they just took a blood sample.

      If I recall correctly that's what Joel also thought when Ellie asked him what he thinks the Fireflies are going to do to her. He said "they'll probably get a blood sample and run some tests". He was so very wrong hahaha.

      Oh and I forgot to clear something up. This has been bugging me ever since the argument about that vaccine thing started. A vaccine is a weakend/dormant/dead virus that can't do any bodily harm and to get it, they need a sample. BUT Ellie's infection is just the same as any other infected. What I am saying is that her immunity is not because she got infected by a different type of fungus, but because there is something different about her anatomy that saved her. So ultimately, taking a fungal sample from her would just be like taking a sample from an infected. So I believe they are not after the fungus inside Ellie, rather they are after what is in Ellie that is stopping the fungus from causing havoc. Can anyone relate to what I am saying here? lol


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      Hey, you again :D


      Well, they said Ellie's cordyceps were mutated, and that that is the reason she's immune. They never mentioned anything inside her that stopped the cordyceps. I think that they'd need a sample of the fungus itself, and try to discover what caused it's mutation. Although, they could just ask Ellie what she did shortly after she got infected though... Right?

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    • Would be an option, but I think that wouldn't be... scientific enough. If that word exists. Im german, you cant expect me to speak good english or something that may sound like it.

      Plus, for a people who didn't even bought the game, everything would be a spoiler, if you think this way. REAL spoilers are more kindoff "Snape dies in the end" or something.

      PS: Kennst du Ben?


      I was begged to spread german Memes, dont blame me!

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    • Implord wrote:
      Would be an option, but I think that wouldn't be... scientific enough. If that word exists. Im german, you cant expect me to speak good english or something that may sound like it.

      Plus, for a people who didn't even bought the game, everything would be a spoiler, if you think this way. REAL spoilers are more kindoff "Snape dies in the end" or something.

      PS: Kennst du Ben?


      I was begged to spread german Memes, dont blame me!

      I call it a major spoiler because it is at the end of the game, affects the plot and main characters greatly, and is a "twist" (although this spoiler is kinda hinted and is kinda obvious if you think about it.) and since its already been spoiled, i believe they said that the fungus in her brain had mutated. I think that the fungus that causes the Infection occurs only in the brain, which the reason why a blood sample wouldn't work. This fungus wasn't in the blood (i think). Its like how if there's a tumor in the brain, you can't draw a blood sample to analyze it, you have to take an MRI of the brain to see the tumor.

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    • but a tumor is a build up of cells in one area so it obviously cant be treated with blood samples but the fungus is different. In order to get to the brain of the host it MUST travel the blood stream to get to it, it doesn't just teleport there.

      (That would be cheating)

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    • Sexywednesday wrote:
      Implord wrote:
      Would be an option, but I think that wouldn't be... scientific enough. If that word exists. Im german, you cant expect me to speak good english or something that may sound like it.

      Plus, for a people who didn't even bought the game, everything would be a spoiler, if you think this way. REAL spoilers are more kindoff "Snape dies in the end" or something.

      PS: Kennst du Ben?


      I was begged to spread german Memes, dont blame me!

      I call it a major spoiler because it is at the end of the game, affects the plot and main characters greatly, and is a "twist" (although this spoiler is kinda hinted and is kinda obvious if you think about it.) and since its already been spoiled, i believe they said that the fungus in her brain had mutated. I think that the fungus that causes the Infection occurs only in the brain, which the reason why a blood sample wouldn't work. This fungus wasn't in the blood (i think). Its like how if there's a tumor in the brain, you can't draw a blood sample to analyze it, you have to take an MRI of the brain to see the tumor.

      That's basically what I said when I elaborate my initial and somewhat vague explanation(which I realized when you pointed it out, thanks).

      Lol But Yep, it's a spoiler. Well, if you haven't finished the game then don't go to the wiki right? :D

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    • CaPtiAn1590 wrote:
      but a tumor is a build up of cells in one area so it obviously cant be treated with blood samples but the fungus is different. In order to get to the brain of the host it MUST travel the blood stream to get to it, it doesn't just teleport there.

      (That would be cheating)

      Well, a fungus is significantly larger compared to bacteria/virus so you can't assume to find a lot of it in a cartain square area. And if it's anything like the documentary that inspired the game, it all goes to the brain if I'm not mistaken and settles there so you won't get anything useful in the blood.

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    • MvdVeen wrote:
      Croouu wrote:
      Sexywednesday wrote:
      that "answer without spoilers" doesn't answer anything. What does that mean "replicate the conditions"...... and that is how you can make a vaccine....... you COULD isolate the specific strain from a blood sample then cultivate it until you get a strain that's lacking the lethality, viruality, or infectiousness of the original disease. (i believe that's how they make live-vaccines). All that's required to make a vaccine is that specific strain that causes the disease. You could totally get that from a blood sample.
      Here is an expansion of my explanation...after all, I said in my first post that that was a simpler explanation and I do hope you understand my view even better:

      What I meant was you need a culture of the said infection and as far as I know, getting it from a blood sample would be different than growing your own, which is why they needed the source which is in the brain. Is it possible to cultivate spores? I don't think so, but as for a fungus it is possible. And this fungus is inside her brain. I am no expert so feel free to bash me when I say I think the infection in an infected's blood are just spores while the fungus is inside the brain...Which explains why they need the brain and not the blood. This is in-game logic however.

      I do however disagree with the game's logic because we all know for a fact that you can make cultures of bacteria (but I have to point out again that in-game, it is NOT a bacteria/virus so culturing it would be different but possible ofcourse) from blood samples. Once again with the technicalities, but the impact of the story would have been different if they just took a blood sample.

      If I recall correctly that's what Joel also thought when Ellie asked him what he thinks the Fireflies are going to do to her. He said "they'll probably get a blood sample and run some tests". He was so very wrong hahaha.

      Oh and I forgot to clear something up. This has been bugging me ever since the argument about that vaccine thing started. A vaccine is a weakend/dormant/dead virus that can't do any bodily harm and to get it, they need a sample. BUT Ellie's infection is just the same as any other infected. What I am saying is that her immunity is not because she got infected by a different type of fungus, but because there is something different about her anatomy that saved her. So ultimately, taking a fungal sample from her would just be like taking a sample from an infected. So I believe they are not after the fungus inside Ellie, rather they are after what is in Ellie that is stopping the fungus from causing havoc. Can anyone relate to what I am saying here? lol

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      Hey, you again :D


      Well, they said Ellie's cordyceps were mutated, and that that is the reason she's immune. They never mentioned anything inside her that stopped the cordyceps. I think that they'd need a sample of the fungus itself, and try to discover what caused it's mutation. Although, they could just ask Ellie what she did shortly after she got infected though... Right?

      Hi there again. Seeing a lot of familiar people here, or maybe there are just few active users? :D

      Yep I did not miss that part. But I interpreted it differently. Because saying the fungus inside her somewhat mutated means that the fungus that was initially inside her was the same as any fungal infection from other infecteds but it somehow mutated because of something unknown and unique in Ellie's anatomy.

      And this unknown factor is what they will try to find out and replicate hopefully that's why they need the brain since that is what the fungus affects. Actually, it's the only thing the fungus infects which is why the host behaves the way it does so there must be something inside Ellie's brain different from the others. 

      I just hope the 4th issue of American Dream elaborate on this LOL. 8 days to go. :D

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    • I'm curious about the monkeys the Firefly scientists experimented on. How did they get a strain of the infection inside the monkeys? Did they just make them breath in spores? Actually, I'm not sure if breathing in spores for animals works the same way as it does for humans. What about taking a blood sample from an infected person and injecting it into a non-infected human or animal? What would that do? Would it infect the human/animal just the same?

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    • Applegirl wrote:
      I'm curious about the monkeys the Firefly scientists experimented on. How did they get a strain of the infection inside the monkeys? Did they just make them breath in spores? Actually, I'm not sure if breathing in spores for animals works the same way as it does for humans. What about taking a blood sample from an infected person and injecting it into a non-infected human or animal? What would that do? Would it infect the human/animal just the same?

      Well it was never mentioned. I think it's safe to assume that they somehow managed to infect the monkey (given there are many ways to get infected), but afterwards nothing happened but the monkey is still an infected, just like in Ellie's case.

      Oh Damn! Isn't that what they were trying to find out??? Why Ellie is infected but somehow not turned into one of those crazy monsters? Can't they just used what happened to the monkey, or other animals to figure out why the fungus didn't transform them?

      Well, I guess animals are different than us in some ways so its not really useful. :D

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    • Oh and guys, I would just like to bring this up. I don't think ND was ever interested in telling how Ellie got immune in the first place.

      If I recall one interview, they mentioned that Ellie's immunity is just there so, we, the players can see how important she is and how far Joel is going to go to protect her. In fact they could also have made her not immune in the game. They also mentioned in the Grounded, The Making of The Last of Us that they initially planned to take away the infected and just have it mentioned in-game (they said this wouldn't work because they want you to see what the people in the game are fearing).

      I'm even going as far as saying they don't even know how Ellie got immune, which is a good thing. It would be another story for them.

      Druckman said,

      "As for the whole ending...I've heard you talk about how some plot points are cliched, and the one that probably bugs us the most is Ellie being immune. And the only reason that's in there is so you could get that choice in the end. There's this progression of character for Joel, and how far is he willing to go for Ellie? It progresses from like, willing to put his life on the line, willing to put his friends on the line, and eventualy he's willing to put his soul on the line, and he's willing to sacrifice all of humanity. And at the end you could argue that last conversation, HE'S EVEN WILLING TO PUT HIS RELATIONSHIP WITH ELLIE ON THE LINE. IN ORDER TO PROTECT HER."

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    • Applegirl wrote:
      I'm curious about the monkeys the Firefly scientists experimented on. How did they get a strain of the infection inside the monkeys? Did they just make them breath in spores? Actually, I'm not sure if breathing in spores for animals works the same way as it does for humans. What about taking a blood sample from an infected person and injecting it into a non-infected human or animal? What would that do? Would it infect the human/animal just the same?

      I guess the monkeys were affected just like Ellie, but regarding the infection in animals Im not sure what it would be, probably the monkeys were affected because their similarities with humans or ALL the animal are affected just they have more "skills" to avoid being bitten.

      Ok the last one sounded a little stupid but its somewhat true.

      I forgot to say that animals arent exposed to a great amount of spores, they're always outside and the spore tends to be inside bulding or something...

      And about the blood if the fungus travel through blood (thing that i dont know) it would infect the human/animal, like saliva (like when Ellie bit David) it would act the same way, but it needs to be a certain amount of the fungus. You know infected literally are face to face with Joel, they spread a little amount of spores but not the amount to infect someone.

      Hope it helps :)

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    • I think monkeys aren't "infected" since they don't go into a rage and start trying to bite everything when they saw Joel and Ellie.

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    • Sexywednesday wrote:
      I think monkeys aren't "infected" since they don't go into a rage and start trying to bite everything when they saw Joel and Ellie.

      My belief is that the a strain of the infection was living inside the monkeys bodies. On the science lab recorder where the monkey cages were, the scientist was suddenly bitten by one. Now, I don't know if him getting bitten by monkey passed down the infection and caused him to turn into an infected. But I do believe the scientists somehow got the infection to be inside the monkeys without making the fungus grow over their brain, which is maybe why the monkeys didn't give the physical appearance of an infected animal ? Then again, we never actually see which monkeys were the ones in the science lab. I'm only assuming the ones Joel and Ellie encountered outside and inside the building were presumably the same monkeys that had the infection and were set free after the Fireflies abandoned the place.

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    • Ok, I've come up with a theory as to Ellie's immunity, and it's probably as close to canon as you can get.

      In the Note from Mom, Ellie's mom says "You're not even a day old, and holding you is the most incredible thing I've done in my life - a life that is about to get cut a little short."

      So she knows she is going to die soon. My theory is that Ellie's mom was infected just before Ellie was born, and that this exposure somehow made Ellie immune. From what I can remember of health class, there is a sort of barrier between a mother and the baby in the womb, which is there to protect it in some ways. Ellie could have been partially exposed in that way, but just enough for her to form antibodies and grant immunity to the fungus.

      The reason that I don't think it was just a random mutation of the virus is she mentions that she and her friend Riley got bitten by the same Runner. The strain would have been the same for them both, showing that Ellie had something biologically that made her immune, either by mutating the virus itself or fighting it enough to prevent it from growing enough to take control of her.

      Now, more spoiler-y stuff.

      I think that the Fireflies were completely stupid to take brain surgery as their first option. The the Surgeon's Recorder, the surgeon even says that a blood sample taken from her quickly grew fungus. So they could have tried infecting somebody with this fungus first to see whether something in Ellie made her immune or if the fungus itself was a mutated form that didn't take over the host (which, as I mentioned, doesn't make much sense). They could have just taken a random hunter or something. I mean, I would think keeping Ellie alive should be a priority in case they couldn't get the cure from her brain.

      Now that I think about it, I think they said they wanted to take a sample from her brain (although I think Joel said it grows all around the brain, so given these surgeons aren't total morons, they should have been able to scrape a sample off without killing her). Considering her bloodstream contains the spores, that would also make the brain surgery completely unnecessary because the spores would be coming from the fungus on her brain, and thus would be of the same exact strain/mutation). So either way, they really could have developed a vaccine from her blood, if the vaccine was possible at all.

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    • 216.164.15.44 wrote:
      Ok, I've come up with a theory as to Ellie's immunity, and it's probably as close to canon as you can get.

      In the Note from Mom, Ellie's mom says "You're not even a day old, and holding you is the most incredible thing I've done in my life - a life that is about to get cut a little short."

      So she knows she is going to die soon. My theory is that Ellie's mom was infected just before Ellie was born, and that this exposure somehow made Ellie immune. From what I can remember of health class, there is a sort of barrier between a mother and the baby in the womb, which is there to protect it in some ways. Ellie could have been partially exposed in that way, but just enough for her to form antibodies and grant immunity to the fungus.

      The reason that I don't think it was just a random mutation of the virus is she mentions that she and her friend Riley got bitten by the same Runner. The strain would have been the same for them both, showing that Ellie had something biologically that made her immune, either by mutating the virus itself or fighting it enough to prevent it from growing enough to take control of her.

      Now, more spoiler-y stuff.

      I think that the Fireflies were completely stupid to take brain surgery as their first option. The the Surgeon's Recorder, the surgeon even says that a blood sample taken from her quickly grew fungus. So they could have tried infecting somebody with this fungus first to see whether something in Ellie made her immune or if the fungus itself was a mutated form that didn't take over the host (which, as I mentioned, doesn't make much sense). They could have just taken a random hunter or something. I mean, I would think keeping Ellie alive should be a priority in case they couldn't get the cure from her brain.

      Now that I think about it, I think they said they wanted to take a sample from her brain (although I think Joel said it grows all around the brain, so given these surgeons aren't total morons, they should have been able to scrape a sample off without killing her). Considering her bloodstream contains the spores, that would also make the brain surgery completely unnecessary because the spores would be coming from the fungus on her brain, and thus would be of the same exact strain/mutation). So either way, they really could have developed a vaccine from her blood, if the vaccine was possible at all.


      It makes sence!! I agree with you but one problem; listening to the recordings reveals that it wasn't her body that stoped the fungus but the fungus itself mutated (reason I.D.K.). Also keep in mind of the world they live in.... they may have technology to perform surgery.. but getting her patched up would not happen. (It takes more than stiches) She would probably end up bleeding out in the end, seeing that was their intention to just quickly yank that brain out.

      The Cordyceps fungus also needs a living host to survive on or else it would die. So if they "put her to sleep" then wouldn't it kill of the fungus growing inside of her too. Chance of failure would increace (if not instant) at studing it.

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    • CaPtiAn1590 wrote:
      216.164.15.44 wrote:
      Ok, I've come up with a theory as to Ellie's immunity, and it's probably as close to canon as you can get.

      In the Note from Mom, Ellie's mom says "You're not even a day old, and holding you is the most incredible thing I've done in my life - a life that is about to get cut a little short."

      So she knows she is going to die soon. My theory is that Ellie's mom was infected just before Ellie was born, and that this exposure somehow made Ellie immune. From what I can remember of health class, there is a sort of barrier between a mother and the baby in the womb, which is there to protect it in some ways. Ellie could have been partially exposed in that way, but just enough for her to form antibodies and grant immunity to the fungus.

      The reason that I don't think it was just a random mutation of the virus is she mentions that she and her friend Riley got bitten by the same Runner. The strain would have been the same for them both, showing that Ellie had something biologically that made her immune, either by mutating the virus itself or fighting it enough to prevent it from growing enough to take control of her.

      Now, more spoiler-y stuff.

      I think that the Fireflies were completely stupid to take brain surgery as their first option. The the Surgeon's Recorder, the surgeon even says that a blood sample taken from her quickly grew fungus. So they could have tried infecting somebody with this fungus first to see whether something in Ellie made her immune or if the fungus itself was a mutated form that didn't take over the host (which, as I mentioned, doesn't make much sense). They could have just taken a random hunter or something. I mean, I would think keeping Ellie alive should be a priority in case they couldn't get the cure from her brain.

      Now that I think about it, I think they said they wanted to take a sample from her brain (although I think Joel said it grows all around the brain, so given these surgeons aren't total morons, they should have been able to scrape a sample off without killing her). Considering her bloodstream contains the spores, that would also make the brain surgery completely unnecessary because the spores would be coming from the fungus on her brain, and thus would be of the same exact strain/mutation). So either way, they really could have developed a vaccine from her blood, if the vaccine was possible at all.


      It makes sence!! I agree with you but one problem; listening to the recordings reveals that it wasn't her body that stoped the fungus but the fungus itself mutated (reason I.D.K.). Also keep in mind of the world they live in.... they may have technology to perform surgery.. but getting her patched up would not happen. (It takes more than stiches) She would probably end up bleeding out in the end, seeing that was their intention to just quickly yank that brain out.

      The Cordyceps fungus also needs a living host to survive on or else it would die. So if they "put her to sleep" then wouldn't it kill of the fungus growing inside of her too. Chance of failure would increace (if not instant) at studing it.

      I'm thinking that, given my theory of how she's immune, that the antibodies could have caused the fungus to mutate. I mean, there's not really any other reason for the fungus to randomly mutate like that in only one person amongst countless. So a blood sample would have contained the antibodies that were necessary to fight the fungus. All they had to do was make a vaccine using Ellie's blood, and inject it into a living subject. Then they could re-analyze what to do based on what happened.

      The subject could be fully infected.

      The subject could be partially infected (like Ellie), and the fungus would not take over.

      The subject would not be infected.

      In the case of being fully infected, this would mean that the fungus is not mutated at all. If she can spread the infection, then the the fungus was not mutated in her, meaning that Ellie's immunity could only be explained by a mutation in her DNA. In this scenario, a cure isn't possible (although she could potentially reproduce immune children).

      If the subject is only partially infected, congratulations, you have a sort of cure (having a benign fungus would be kinda gross and all, but better than being taken over).

      If the subject is not infected, that would mean the fungus in her is mutated and can not spread, or that the antibodies in her blood keep it from spreading. This case would be a full cure in which no fungal growth would occur. Just to make sure, they could then take a known contagious sample of the fungus and expose the subject to it to test if they are truly immune.


      Even if this stuff didn't work out, they could have tried it before deciding to cut her brain out. And really, they could patch her up after brain surgery. I'm not sure how the cut part of the skull gets reattached, but the surgeons should know how to do that. Even if they couldn't, they could just put a metal plate in place (happens in real life) and then sew it up. Since they said the fungus grows around the brain, that means they don't need to cut open her brain, just scrape a sample from the outside of it. So the brain isn't the concern, just the cutting open of the skull to access it. Of course it's still somewhat risky, but not fatal if they do it correctly.

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    • Sexywednesday wrote:
      I think monkeys aren't "infected" since they don't go into a rage and start trying to bite everything when they saw Joel and Ellie.

      Well, they aren't "infected" in the traditional sense since they don't go berserck, just like Ellie. But I think they are infected with the fungus because why else would the dude in the university go "Oh my God....It bit me." if he isn't convinced he wasn't infected by their test monkey.

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    • 216.164.15.44 wrote:
      Ok, I've come up with a theory as to Ellie's immunity, and it's probably as close to canon as you can get.

      In the Note from Mom, Ellie's mom says "You're not even a day old, and holding you is the most incredible thing I've done in my life - a life that is about to get cut a little short."

      So she knows she is going to die soon. My theory is that Ellie's mom was infected just before Ellie was born, and that this exposure somehow made Ellie immune. From what I can remember of health class, there is a sort of barrier between a mother and the baby in the womb, which is there to protect it in some ways. Ellie could have been partially exposed in that way, but just enough for her to form antibodies and grant immunity to the fungus.

      The reason that I don't think it was just a random mutation of the virus is she mentions that she and her friend Riley got bitten by the same Runner. The strain would have been the same for them both, showing that Ellie had something biologically that made her immune, either by mutating the virus itself or fighting it enough to prevent it from growing enough to take control of her.

      Now, more spoiler-y stuff.

      I think that the Fireflies were completely stupid to take brain surgery as their first option. The the Surgeon's Recorder, the surgeon even says that a blood sample taken from her quickly grew fungus. So they could have tried infecting somebody with this fungus first to see whether something in Ellie made her immune or if the fungus itself was a mutated form that didn't take over the host (which, as I mentioned, doesn't make much sense). They could have just taken a random hunter or something. I mean, I would think keeping Ellie alive should be a priority in case they couldn't get the cure from her brain.

      Now that I think about it, I think they said they wanted to take a sample from her brain (although I think Joel said it grows all around the brain, so given these surgeons aren't total morons, they should have been able to scrape a sample off without killing her). Considering her bloodstream contains the spores, that would also make the brain surgery completely unnecessary because the spores would be coming from the fungus on her brain, and thus would be of the same exact strain/mutation). So either way, they really could have developed a vaccine from her blood, if the vaccine was possible at all.

      I do agree with most of what you said except there is one part I disagree with. 

      You said "considering her bloodstream contains the spores", take note this is also my sceculation in my previous comments so so far we are in the same page, however, making a vaccine requires the actual source which is in the brain, and not just a blood sample in my opinion.

      To elaborate, a spore is a reproductive cell, it is comparable to a human sperm cell. A sperm cell cannot multiply on its own and requires a full set of balls (-_- I just made myself lol). A vaccine requires the actual infection to culture and given that spores do not multiply, you cannot make a culture out of it and effectively, a vaccine.

      If by any means they can turn the spore into a grown fungus, then that is what they can use, but to do that, the spore needs a place to settle, which is in the brain. So we go back there to where it all starts...they need the fungal growth in the brain. The fungal growth can be cultivated then be made into a vacine unlike the sperms...spores. They need the damn brain sample.

      And I agree with your point that they could scrape it off without doing much damage but given they are surgeons, I believe they have ran out of possible options where Ellie would survive so they just went on with it anyway. Also add to that they are just making do of what they have which also contributes to the mortality of the operation.

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    • Croouu wrote:
      216.164.15.44 wrote:
      Ok, I've come up with a theory as to Ellie's immunity, and it's probably as close to canon as you can get.

      In the Note from Mom, Ellie's mom says "You're not even a day old, and holding you is the most incredible thing I've done in my life - a life that is about to get cut a little short."

      So she knows she is going to die soon. My theory is that Ellie's mom was infected just before Ellie was born, and that this exposure somehow made Ellie immune. From what I can remember of health class, there is a sort of barrier between a mother and the baby in the womb, which is there to protect it in some ways. Ellie could have been partially exposed in that way, but just enough for her to form antibodies and grant immunity to the fungus.

      The reason that I don't think it was just a random mutation of the virus is she mentions that she and her friend Riley got bitten by the same Runner. The strain would have been the same for them both, showing that Ellie had something biologically that made her immune, either by mutating the virus itself or fighting it enough to prevent it from growing enough to take control of her.

      Now, more spoiler-y stuff.

      I think that the Fireflies were completely stupid to take brain surgery as their first option. The the Surgeon's Recorder, the surgeon even says that a blood sample taken from her quickly grew fungus. So they could have tried infecting somebody with this fungus first to see whether something in Ellie made her immune or if the fungus itself was a mutated form that didn't take over the host (which, as I mentioned, doesn't make much sense). They could have just taken a random hunter or something. I mean, I would think keeping Ellie alive should be a priority in case they couldn't get the cure from her brain.

      Now that I think about it, I think they said they wanted to take a sample from her brain (although I think Joel said it grows all around the brain, so given these surgeons aren't total morons, they should have been able to scrape a sample off without killing her). Considering her bloodstream contains the spores, that would also make the brain surgery completely unnecessary because the spores would be coming from the fungus on her brain, and thus would be of the same exact strain/mutation). So either way, they really could have developed a vaccine from her blood, if the vaccine was possible at all.

      I do agree with most of what you said except there is one part I disagree with. 

      You said "considering her bloodstream contains the spores", take note this is also my sceculation in my previous comments so so far we are in the same page, however, making a vaccine requires the actual source which is in the brain, and not just a blood sample in my opinion.

      To elaborate, a spore is a reproductive cell, it is comparable to a human sperm cell. A sperm cell cannot multiply on its own and requires a full set of balls (-_- I just made myself lol). A vaccine requires the actual infection to culture and given that spores do not multiply, you cannot make a culture out of it and effectively, a vaccine.

      If by any means they can turn the spore into a grown fungus, then that is what they can use, but to do that, the spore needs a place to settle, which is in the brain. So we go back there to where it all starts...they need the fungal growth in the brain. The fungal growth can be cultivated then be made into a vacine unlike the sperms...spores. They need the damn brain sample.

      And I agree with your point that they could scrape it off without doing much damage but given they are surgeons, I believe they have ran out of possible options where Ellie would survive so they just went on with it anyway. Also add to that they are just making do of what they have which also contributes to the mortality of the operation.

      If they're growing cultures using the fungus from the brain, then couldn't they infect someone else with the strain in Ellie and take it from them? The fungus in her brain should be producing spores with the same mutation as the one in her brain. I'm sure Joel would be more than glad to volunteer himself (to find a hunter, subdue him, and allow them to use him for the surgery).

      Actually, after doing just a little bit of research, I have discovered that spores are asexual, and thus a single spore is able to multiply, meaning that the blood sample would get them all they need for a culture.

      I'm pretty sure that Naughty Dog just included this decision as a point in the game to show how Joel was willing to put Ellie before the entire human race. It's something that we're not supposed to think about, but we being such curious creatures, we just can't help it.

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    • The Surgeon's Recorder artifact states that "Blood cultures taken from the patient rapidly grow Cordyceps in fungal-media in the lab..." That indicates that the fungus is in her blood and it is able to reproduce without a host. Considering the fungus in her brain produced the spores, they would have the same exact genetic makeup, meaning a blood sample would suffice.

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    • 216.164.15.44 wrote:
      The Surgeon's Recorder artifact states that "Blood cultures taken from the patient rapidly grow Cordyceps in fungal-media in the lab..." That indicates that the fungus is in her blood and it is able to reproduce without a host. Considering the fungus in her brain produced the spores, they would have the same exact genetic makeup, meaning a blood sample would suffice.

      That is actually a good point. I forgot about that part.

      However, doesn't that prove that there is no other way? Since the doctors already know it is possible to culture the fungal infection from blood samples and yet they insist on killing the patient and study her post mortem. It is either that the surgeons are completely incompetent or there truly is no other way...and I believe the latter would be more likely.

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    • Croouu wrote:
      216.164.15.44 wrote:
      The Surgeon's Recorder artifact states that "Blood cultures taken from the patient rapidly grow Cordyceps in fungal-media in the lab..." That indicates that the fungus is in her blood and it is able to reproduce without a host. Considering the fungus in her brain produced the spores, they would have the same exact genetic makeup, meaning a blood sample would suffice.
      That is actually a good point. I forgot about that part.

      However, doesn't that prove that there is no other way? Since the doctors already know it is possible to culture the fungal infection from blood samples and yet they insist on killing the patient and study her post mortem. It is either that the surgeons are completely incompetent or there truly is no other way...and I believe the latter would be more likely.

      There were MRI scans around, meaning they had a working MRI machine. You can see pretty much everything in the brain using one, so they didn't need to cut her open to examine her brain.

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    • 216.164.15.44 wrote:
      Croouu wrote:
      216.164.15.44 wrote:
      The Surgeon's Recorder artifact states that "Blood cultures taken from the patient rapidly grow Cordyceps in fungal-media in the lab..." That indicates that the fungus is in her blood and it is able to reproduce without a host. Considering the fungus in her brain produced the spores, they would have the same exact genetic makeup, meaning a blood sample would suffice.
      That is actually a good point. I forgot about that part.

      However, doesn't that prove that there is no other way? Since the doctors already know it is possible to culture the fungal infection from blood samples and yet they insist on killing the patient and study her post mortem. It is either that the surgeons are completely incompetent or there truly is no other way...and I believe the latter would be more likely.

      There were MRI scans around, meaning they had a working MRI machine. You can see pretty much everything in the brain using one, so they didn't need to cut her open to examine her brain.

      Oh that. The artifact you find in the university or the one scattered in the hospital? If there are mri scans in the hospital too (in the backgrounds) I guess I probably missed or ignored that. Even with MRI, wouldn't they need a physical sample too? I'm pretty sure they did what they could behind the scenes...after all Joel was also knocked out for quite some time. Based on the surgeon's recorder they actually did a hefty lot of tests before the actual operation (so maybe the scan you were talking about may or may not be included), which happened to start a bit later when Joel wakes up. 

      Marlene was also dissapointed with the surgeons in her first recorder. She said she was shouting at them because they couldn't find any other way. But I would like to believe there is another way. I just can't convince myself to go against the judgement and expertise of the surgeons as much as I would like too. If they said there isn't any other way I would take their word for it, for now, BUT I will not be surprised if someone else later on in the story did find another way.

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    • Croouu wrote:
      216.164.15.44 wrote:
      Croouu wrote:
      216.164.15.44 wrote:
      The Surgeon's Recorder artifact states that "Blood cultures taken from the patient rapidly grow Cordyceps in fungal-media in the lab..." That indicates that the fungus is in her blood and it is able to reproduce without a host. Considering the fungus in her brain produced the spores, they would have the same exact genetic makeup, meaning a blood sample would suffice.
      That is actually a good point. I forgot about that part.

      However, doesn't that prove that there is no other way? Since the doctors already know it is possible to culture the fungal infection from blood samples and yet they insist on killing the patient and study her post mortem. It is either that the surgeons are completely incompetent or there truly is no other way...and I believe the latter would be more likely.

      There were MRI scans around, meaning they had a working MRI machine. You can see pretty much everything in the brain using one, so they didn't need to cut her open to examine her brain.
      Oh that. The artifact you find in the university or the one scattered in the hospital? If there are mri scans in the hospital too (in the backgrounds) I guess I probably missed or ignored that. Even with MRI, wouldn't they need a physical sample too? I'm pretty sure they did what they could behind the scenes...after all Joel was also knocked out for quite some time. Based on the surgeon's recorder they actually did a hefty lot of tests before the actual operation (so maybe the scan you were talking about may or may not be included), which happened to start a bit later when Joel wakes up. 

      Marlene was also dissapointed with the surgeons in her first recorder. She said she was shouting at them because they couldn't find any other way. But I would like to believe there is another way. I just can't convince myself to go against the judgement and expertise of the surgeons as much as I would like too. If they said there isn't any other way I would take their word for it, for now, BUT I will not be surprised if someone else later on in the story did find another way.


      I would like to add my theory to this mess. When you listen to the recordings in the hospital, they said the wanted to kill the smuggler, that is Joel. This leads me to believe that they could do a "safe procedure" however they wouldn't want to let Ellie go afterwards because they want the cure to themselves (remember they are a terrorist group). If Ellie was released afterwards it would be possiable she would go somewhere else (i.e. military) and they would get their hands on the cure as well. So the Fireflys would just kill her and Joel; get the entire brain, immune body (Ellie), fungus and cure to themselves and proceed with any further evil plans they have.

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    • CaPtiAn1590 wrote:
      Croouu wrote:
      216.164.15.44 wrote:
      Croouu wrote:
      216.164.15.44 wrote:
      The Surgeon's Recorder artifact states that "Blood cultures taken from the patient rapidly grow Cordyceps in fungal-media in the lab..." That indicates that the fungus is in her blood and it is able to reproduce without a host. Considering the fungus in her brain produced the spores, they would have the same exact genetic makeup, meaning a blood sample would suffice.
      That is actually a good point. I forgot about that part.

      However, doesn't that prove that there is no other way? Since the doctors already know it is possible to culture the fungal infection from blood samples and yet they insist on killing the patient and study her post mortem. It is either that the surgeons are completely incompetent or there truly is no other way...and I believe the latter would be more likely.

      There were MRI scans around, meaning they had a working MRI machine. You can see pretty much everything in the brain using one, so they didn't need to cut her open to examine her brain.
      Oh that. The artifact you find in the university or the one scattered in the hospital? If there are mri scans in the hospital too (in the backgrounds) I guess I probably missed or ignored that. Even with MRI, wouldn't they need a physical sample too? I'm pretty sure they did what they could behind the scenes...after all Joel was also knocked out for quite some time. Based on the surgeon's recorder they actually did a hefty lot of tests before the actual operation (so maybe the scan you were talking about may or may not be included), which happened to start a bit later when Joel wakes up. 

      Marlene was also dissapointed with the surgeons in her first recorder. She said she was shouting at them because they couldn't find any other way. But I would like to believe there is another way. I just can't convince myself to go against the judgement and expertise of the surgeons as much as I would like too. If they said there isn't any other way I would take their word for it, for now, BUT I will not be surprised if someone else later on in the story did find another way.


      I would like to add my theory to this mess. When you listen to the recordings in the hospital, they said the wanted to kill the smuggler, that is Joel. This leads me to believe that they could do a "safe procedure" however they wouldn't want to let Ellie go afterwards because they want the cure to themselves (remember they are a terrorist group). If Ellie was released afterwards it would be possiable she would go somewhere else (i.e. military) and they would get their hands on the cure as well. So the Fireflys would just kill her and Joel; get the entire brain, immune body (Ellie), fungus and cure to themselves and proceed with any further evil plans they have.

      That is actually a possibility but it was never confirmed if they are the bad guys or not. It is up to us to speculate on that or just leave it be. I also agree that if they get vaccine, it is likely also that they would use it as a leverage to gain the upper hand against everyone else opposing them.

      For this stance, I would be defending the Fireflies' actions. If you mean the Fireflies would want Joel and Ellie dead, I am assuming Marlene is not one of them as if you recall, Marlene is the one who actually spared Joel saying he is the only person who knows what she is experiencing emtionally (referring to emtional stress because Ellie is about to die and neither one of them can do anything about it, figuratively speaking). And it was her that was scolding the surgeon to find another way so that Ellie would live afterwards. And since she is the leader, wouldn't it be right that her cause and concerns would be the same cause and concerns of her followers?

      They are branded as "terrorists" by the current government, and who is to say that the government is doing any good compared to the fireflies. I believe there are no good guys and bad guys here. These are just people fighting to survive. Joel, Ellie and their allies are just like the hunters, cannibals, government and the Fireflies who fight to survive. 

      Morality has been thrown out the window a long time ago so there is no longer a basis for good and bad. It's all relative.

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    • Croouu wrote:
      CaPtiAn1590 wrote:
      Croouu wrote:
      216.164.15.44 wrote:
      Croouu wrote:
      216.164.15.44 wrote:
      The Surgeon's Recorder artifact states that "Blood cultures taken from the patient rapidly grow Cordyceps in fungal-media in the lab..." That indicates that the fungus is in her blood and it is able to reproduce without a host. Considering the fungus in her brain produced the spores, they would have the same exact genetic makeup, meaning a blood sample would suffice.
      That is actually a good point. I forgot about that part.

      However, doesn't that prove that there is no other way? Since the doctors already know it is possible to culture the fungal infection from blood samples and yet they insist on killing the patient and study her post mortem. It is either that the surgeons are completely incompetent or there truly is no other way...and I believe the latter would be more likely.

      There were MRI scans around, meaning they had a working MRI machine. You can see pretty much everything in the brain using one, so they didn't need to cut her open to examine her brain.
      Oh that. The artifact you find in the university or the one scattered in the hospital? If there are mri scans in the hospital too (in the backgrounds) I guess I probably missed or ignored that. Even with MRI, wouldn't they need a physical sample too? I'm pretty sure they did what they could behind the scenes...after all Joel was also knocked out for quite some time. Based on the surgeon's recorder they actually did a hefty lot of tests before the actual operation (so maybe the scan you were talking about may or may not be included), which happened to start a bit later when Joel wakes up. 

      Marlene was also dissapointed with the surgeons in her first recorder. She said she was shouting at them because they couldn't find any other way. But I would like to believe there is another way. I just can't convince myself to go against the judgement and expertise of the surgeons as much as I would like too. If they said there isn't any other way I would take their word for it, for now, BUT I will not be surprised if someone else later on in the story did find another way.


      I would like to add my theory to this mess. When you listen to the recordings in the hospital, they said the wanted to kill the smuggler, that is Joel. This leads me to believe that they could do a "safe procedure" however they wouldn't want to let Ellie go afterwards because they want the cure to themselves (remember they are a terrorist group). If Ellie was released afterwards it would be possiable she would go somewhere else (i.e. military) and they would get their hands on the cure as well. So the Fireflys would just kill her and Joel; get the entire brain, immune body (Ellie), fungus and cure to themselves and proceed with any further evil plans they have.
      That is actually a possibility but it was never confirmed if they are the bad guys or not. It is up to us to speculate on that or just leave it be. I also agree that if they get vaccine, it is likely also that they would use it as a leverage to gain the upper hand against everyone else opposing them.

      For this stance, I would be defending the Fireflies' actions. If you mean the Fireflies would want Joel and Ellie dead, I am assuming Marlene is not one of them as if you recall, Marlene is the one who actually spared Joel saying he is the only person who knows what she is experiencing emtionally (referring to emtional stress because Ellie is about to die and neither one of them can do anything about it, figuratively speaking). And it was her that was scolding the surgeon to find another way so that Ellie would live afterwards. And since she is the leader, wouldn't it be right that her cause and concerns would be the same cause and concerns of her followers?

      They are branded as "terrorists" by the current government, and who is to say that the government is doing any good compared to the fireflies. I believe there are no good guys and bad guys here. These are just people fighting to survive. Joel, Ellie and their allies are just like the hunters, cannibals, government and the Fireflies who fight to survive. 

      Morality has been thrown out the window a long time ago so there is no longer a basis for good and bad. It's all relative.


      You are correct but Marlene kept Joel alive out of guilt of Ellie having to die as a way to control her emotion (having someone who would understand, even though he clealy thinks otherwise, what she is going through).

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    • CaPtiAn1590 wrote:
      Croouu wrote:
      CaPtiAn1590 wrote:
      Croouu wrote:
      216.164.15.44 wrote:
      Croouu wrote:
      216.164.15.44 wrote:
      The Surgeon's Recorder artifact states that "Blood cultures taken from the patient rapidly grow Cordyceps in fungal-media in the lab..." That indicates that the fungus is in her blood and it is able to reproduce without a host. Considering the fungus in her brain produced the spores, they would have the same exact genetic makeup, meaning a blood sample would suffice.
      That is actually a good point. I forgot about that part.

      However, doesn't that prove that there is no other way? Since the doctors already know it is possible to culture the fungal infection from blood samples and yet they insist on killing the patient and study her post mortem. It is either that the surgeons are completely incompetent or there truly is no other way...and I believe the latter would be more likely.

      There were MRI scans around, meaning they had a working MRI machine. You can see pretty much everything in the brain using one, so they didn't need to cut her open to examine her brain.
      Oh that. The artifact you find in the university or the one scattered in the hospital? If there are mri scans in the hospital too (in the backgrounds) I guess I probably missed or ignored that. Even with MRI, wouldn't they need a physical sample too? I'm pretty sure they did what they could behind the scenes...after all Joel was also knocked out for quite some time. Based on the surgeon's recorder they actually did a hefty lot of tests before the actual operation (so maybe the scan you were talking about may or may not be included), which happened to start a bit later when Joel wakes up. 

      Marlene was also dissapointed with the surgeons in her first recorder. She said she was shouting at them because they couldn't find any other way. But I would like to believe there is another way. I just can't convince myself to go against the judgement and expertise of the surgeons as much as I would like too. If they said there isn't any other way I would take their word for it, for now, BUT I will not be surprised if someone else later on in the story did find another way.


      I would like to add my theory to this mess. When you listen to the recordings in the hospital, they said the wanted to kill the smuggler, that is Joel. This leads me to believe that they could do a "safe procedure" however they wouldn't want to let Ellie go afterwards because they want the cure to themselves (remember they are a terrorist group). If Ellie was released afterwards it would be possiable she would go somewhere else (i.e. military) and they would get their hands on the cure as well. So the Fireflys would just kill her and Joel; get the entire brain, immune body (Ellie), fungus and cure to themselves and proceed with any further evil plans they have.
      That is actually a possibility but it was never confirmed if they are the bad guys or not. It is up to us to speculate on that or just leave it be. I also agree that if they get vaccine, it is likely also that they would use it as a leverage to gain the upper hand against everyone else opposing them.

      For this stance, I would be defending the Fireflies' actions. If you mean the Fireflies would want Joel and Ellie dead, I am assuming Marlene is not one of them as if you recall, Marlene is the one who actually spared Joel saying he is the only person who knows what she is experiencing emtionally (referring to emtional stress because Ellie is about to die and neither one of them can do anything about it, figuratively speaking). And it was her that was scolding the surgeon to find another way so that Ellie would live afterwards. And since she is the leader, wouldn't it be right that her cause and concerns would be the same cause and concerns of her followers?

      They are branded as "terrorists" by the current government, and who is to say that the government is doing any good compared to the fireflies. I believe there are no good guys and bad guys here. These are just people fighting to survive. Joel, Ellie and their allies are just like the hunters, cannibals, government and the Fireflies who fight to survive. 

      Morality has been thrown out the window a long time ago so there is no longer a basis for good and bad. It's all relative.


      You are correct but Marlene kept Joel alive out of guilt of Ellie having to die as a way to control her emotion (having someone who would understand, even though he clealy thinks otherwise, what she is going through).


      What I am tring to say is the fact they wanted Ellie and Joel dead but like you said Marlene says otherwise.

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    • Sexywednesday wrote:
      Implord wrote:
      Would be an option, but I think that wouldn't be... scientific enough. If that word exists. Im german, you cant expect me to speak good english or something that may sound like it.

      Plus, for a people who didn't even bought the game, everything would be a spoiler, if you think this way. REAL spoilers are more kindoff "Snape dies in the end" or something.

      PS: Kennst du Ben?


      I was begged to spread german Memes, dont blame me!

      I call it a major spoiler because it is at the end of the game, affects the plot and main characters greatly, and is a "twist" (although this spoiler is kinda hinted and is kinda obvious if you think about it.) and since its already been spoiled, i believe they said that the fungus in her brain had mutated. I think that the fungus that causes the Infection occurs only in the brain, which the reason why a blood sample wouldn't work. This fungus wasn't in the blood (i think). Its like how if there's a tumor in the brain, you can't draw a blood sample to analyze it, you have to take an MRI of the brain to see the tumor.

      Sorry, I might got that wrong, cuz I never played the germen version, but isn't a fungus something like a mushroom (I'm not very good in english, so I'm most likely wrong)?

      Well, in Germany a fungus IS a mushroom, I got a dictionary, so It's a lifeform with own DNS... or DNA... how do ya say in english? DNA, right? Anyway, if theres a lifeform, there should be a chance to analyse, right? I mean, there other... fungus- sicknesses...(?) and they can create serums. right? Im actually quite confused with the infection itself. T-T

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    • 216.164.15.44 wrote:
      Ok, I've come up with a theory as to Ellie's immunity, and it's probably as close to canon as you can get.

      In the Note from Mom, Ellie's mom says "You're not even a day old, and holding you is the most incredible thing I've done in my life - a life that is about to get cut a little short."

      So she knows she is going to die soon. My theory is that Ellie's mom was infected just before Ellie was born, and that this exposure somehow made Ellie immune. From what I can remember of health class, there is a sort of barrier between a mother and the baby in the womb, which is there to protect it in some ways. Ellie could have been partially exposed in that way, but just enough for her to form antibodies and grant immunity to the fungus.

      The reason that I don't think it was just a random mutation of the virus is she mentions that she and her friend Riley got bitten by the same Runner. The strain would have been the same for them both, showing that Ellie had something biologically that made her immune, either by mutating the virus itself or fighting it enough to prevent it from growing enough to take control of her.

      Now, more spoiler-y stuff.

      I think that the Fireflies were completely stupid to take brain surgery as their first option. The the Surgeon's Recorder, the surgeon even says that a blood sample taken from her quickly grew fungus. So they could have tried infecting somebody with this fungus first to see whether something in Ellie made her immune or if the fungus itself was a mutated form that didn't take over the host (which, as I mentioned, doesn't make much sense). They could have just taken a random hunter or something. I mean, I would think keeping Ellie alive should be a priority in case they couldn't get the cure from her brain.

      Now that I think about it, I think they said they wanted to take a sample from her brain (although I think Joel said it grows all around the brain, so given these surgeons aren't total morons, they should have been able to scrape a sample off without killing her). Considering her bloodstream contains the spores, that would also make the brain surgery completely unnecessary because the spores would be coming from the fungus on her brain, and thus would be of the same exact strain/mutation). So either way, they really could have developed a vaccine from her blood, if the vaccine was possible at all.

      You, sir, are a genius.


      I'd advice you to make an account. :D

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    • CaPtiAn1590 wrote:
      CaPtiAn1590 wrote:
      Croouu wrote:
      CaPtiAn1590 wrote:
      Croouu wrote:
      216.164.15.44 wrote:
      Croouu wrote:
      216.164.15.44 wrote:
      The Surgeon's Recorder artifact states that "Blood cultures taken from the patient rapidly grow Cordyceps in fungal-media in the lab..." That indicates that the fungus is in her blood and it is able to reproduce without a host. Considering the fungus in her brain produced the spores, they would have the same exact genetic makeup, meaning a blood sample would suffice.
      That is actually a good point. I forgot about that part.

      However, doesn't that prove that there is no other way? Since the doctors already know it is possible to culture the fungal infection from blood samples and yet they insist on killing the patient and study her post mortem. It is either that the surgeons are completely incompetent or there truly is no other way...and I believe the latter would be more likely.

      There were MRI scans around, meaning they had a working MRI machine. You can see pretty much everything in the brain using one, so they didn't need to cut her open to examine her brain.
      Oh that. The artifact you find in the university or the one scattered in the hospital? If there are mri scans in the hospital too (in the backgrounds) I guess I probably missed or ignored that. Even with MRI, wouldn't they need a physical sample too? I'm pretty sure they did what they could behind the scenes...after all Joel was also knocked out for quite some time. Based on the surgeon's recorder they actually did a hefty lot of tests before the actual operation (so maybe the scan you were talking about may or may not be included), which happened to start a bit later when Joel wakes up. 

      Marlene was also dissapointed with the surgeons in her first recorder. She said she was shouting at them because they couldn't find any other way. But I would like to believe there is another way. I just can't convince myself to go against the judgement and expertise of the surgeons as much as I would like too. If they said there isn't any other way I would take their word for it, for now, BUT I will not be surprised if someone else later on in the story did find another way.


      I would like to add my theory to this mess. When you listen to the recordings in the hospital, they said the wanted to kill the smuggler, that is Joel. This leads me to believe that they could do a "safe procedure" however they wouldn't want to let Ellie go afterwards because they want the cure to themselves (remember they are a terrorist group). If Ellie was released afterwards it would be possiable she would go somewhere else (i.e. military) and they would get their hands on the cure as well. So the Fireflys would just kill her and Joel; get the entire brain, immune body (Ellie), fungus and cure to themselves and proceed with any further evil plans they have.
      That is actually a possibility but it was never confirmed if they are the bad guys or not. It is up to us to speculate on that or just leave it be. I also agree that if they get vaccine, it is likely also that they would use it as a leverage to gain the upper hand against everyone else opposing them.

      For this stance, I would be defending the Fireflies' actions. If you mean the Fireflies would want Joel and Ellie dead, I am assuming Marlene is not one of them as if you recall, Marlene is the one who actually spared Joel saying he is the only person who knows what she is experiencing emtionally (referring to emtional stress because Ellie is about to die and neither one of them can do anything about it, figuratively speaking). And it was her that was scolding the surgeon to find another way so that Ellie would live afterwards. And since she is the leader, wouldn't it be right that her cause and concerns would be the same cause and concerns of her followers?

      They are branded as "terrorists" by the current government, and who is to say that the government is doing any good compared to the fireflies. I believe there are no good guys and bad guys here. These are just people fighting to survive. Joel, Ellie and their allies are just like the hunters, cannibals, government and the Fireflies who fight to survive. 

      Morality has been thrown out the window a long time ago so there is no longer a basis for good and bad. It's all relative.


      You are correct but Marlene kept Joel alive out of guilt of Ellie having to die as a way to control her emotion (having someone who would understand, even though he clealy thinks otherwise, what she is going through).

      What I am tring to say is the fact they wanted Ellie and Joel dead but like you said Marlene says otherwise.

      They didn't want them dead. They wanted Joel dead because he was the smuggler, but they didn't want to kill Ellie.


      p.s. these quote trains are getting ridiculous

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    • Sexywednesday wrote:
      CaPtiAn1590 wrote:
      CaPtiAn1590 wrote:
      Croouu wrote:
      CaPtiAn1590 wrote:
      Croouu wrote:
      216.164.15.44 wrote:
      Croouu wrote:
      216.164.15.44 wrote:
      The Surgeon's Recorder artifact states that "Blood cultures taken from the patient rapidly grow Cordyceps in fungal-media in the lab..." That indicates that the fungus is in her blood and it is able to reproduce without a host. Considering the fungus in her brain produced the spores, they would have the same exact genetic makeup, meaning a blood sample would suffice.
      That is actually a good point. I forgot about that part.

      However, doesn't that prove that there is no other way? Since the doctors already know it is possible to culture the fungal infection from blood samples and yet they insist on killing the patient and study her post mortem. It is either that the surgeons are completely incompetent or there truly is no other way...and I believe the latter would be more likely.

      There were MRI scans around, meaning they had a working MRI machine. You can see pretty much everything in the brain using one, so they didn't need to cut her open to examine her brain.
      Oh that. The artifact you find in the university or the one scattered in the hospital? If there are mri scans in the hospital too (in the backgrounds) I guess I probably missed or ignored that. Even with MRI, wouldn't they need a physical sample too? I'm pretty sure they did what they could behind the scenes...after all Joel was also knocked out for quite some time. Based on the surgeon's recorder they actually did a hefty lot of tests before the actual operation (so maybe the scan you were talking about may or may not be included), which happened to start a bit later when Joel wakes up. 

      Marlene was also dissapointed with the surgeons in her first recorder. She said she was shouting at them because they couldn't find any other way. But I would like to believe there is another way. I just can't convince myself to go against the judgement and expertise of the surgeons as much as I would like too. If they said there isn't any other way I would take their word for it, for now, BUT I will not be surprised if someone else later on in the story did find another way.


      I would like to add my theory to this mess. When you listen to the recordings in the hospital, they said the wanted to kill the smuggler, that is Joel. This leads me to believe that they could do a "safe procedure" however they wouldn't want to let Ellie go afterwards because they want the cure to themselves (remember they are a terrorist group). If Ellie was released afterwards it would be possiable she would go somewhere else (i.e. military) and they would get their hands on the cure as well. So the Fireflys would just kill her and Joel; get the entire brain, immune body (Ellie), fungus and cure to themselves and proceed with any further evil plans they have.
      That is actually a possibility but it was never confirmed if they are the bad guys or not. It is up to us to speculate on that or just leave it be. I also agree that if they get vaccine, it is likely also that they would use it as a leverage to gain the upper hand against everyone else opposing them.

      For this stance, I would be defending the Fireflies' actions. If you mean the Fireflies would want Joel and Ellie dead, I am assuming Marlene is not one of them as if you recall, Marlene is the one who actually spared Joel saying he is the only person who knows what she is experiencing emtionally (referring to emtional stress because Ellie is about to die and neither one of them can do anything about it, figuratively speaking). And it was her that was scolding the surgeon to find another way so that Ellie would live afterwards. And since she is the leader, wouldn't it be right that her cause and concerns would be the same cause and concerns of her followers?

      They are branded as "terrorists" by the current government, and who is to say that the government is doing any good compared to the fireflies. I believe there are no good guys and bad guys here. These are just people fighting to survive. Joel, Ellie and their allies are just like the hunters, cannibals, government and the Fireflies who fight to survive. 

      Morality has been thrown out the window a long time ago so there is no longer a basis for good and bad. It's all relative.


      You are correct but Marlene kept Joel alive out of guilt of Ellie having to die as a way to control her emotion (having someone who would understand, even though he clealy thinks otherwise, what she is going through).

      What I am tring to say is the fact they wanted Ellie and Joel dead but like you said Marlene says otherwise.
      They didn't want them dead. They wanted Joel dead because he was the smuggler, but they didn't want to kill Ellie.


      p.s. these quote trains are getting ridiculous


      Listening to recorders (like i said before) if both were dead then the fireflys have Ellie's body all to themselfs for research and get an upper hand against the government.

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    • CaPtiAn1590 wrote:
      Sexywednesday wrote:
      CaPtiAn1590 wrote:
      CaPtiAn1590 wrote:
      Croouu wrote:
      CaPtiAn1590 wrote:
      Croouu wrote:
      216.164.15.44 wrote:
      Croouu wrote:
      216.164.15.44 wrote:
      The Surgeon's Recorder artifact states that "Blood cultures taken from the patient rapidly grow Cordyceps in fungal-media in the lab..." That indicates that the fungus is in her blood and it is able to reproduce without a host. Considering the fungus in her brain produced the spores, they would have the same exact genetic makeup, meaning a blood sample would suffice.
      That is actually a good point. I forgot about that part.

      However, doesn't that prove that there is no other way? Since the doctors already know it is possible to culture the fungal infection from blood samples and yet they insist on killing the patient and study her post mortem. It is either that the surgeons are completely incompetent or there truly is no other way...and I believe the latter would be more likely.

      There were MRI scans around, meaning they had a working MRI machine. You can see pretty much everything in the brain using one, so they didn't need to cut her open to examine her brain.
      Oh that. The artifact you find in the university or the one scattered in the hospital? If there are mri scans in the hospital too (in the backgrounds) I guess I probably missed or ignored that. Even with MRI, wouldn't they need a physical sample too? I'm pretty sure they did what they could behind the scenes...after all Joel was also knocked out for quite some time. Based on the surgeon's recorder they actually did a hefty lot of tests before the actual operation (so maybe the scan you were talking about may or may not be included), which happened to start a bit later when Joel wakes up. 

      Marlene was also dissapointed with the surgeons in her first recorder. She said she was shouting at them because they couldn't find any other way. But I would like to believe there is another way. I just can't convince myself to go against the judgement and expertise of the surgeons as much as I would like too. If they said there isn't any other way I would take their word for it, for now, BUT I will not be surprised if someone else later on in the story did find another way.


      I would like to add my theory to this mess. When you listen to the recordings in the hospital, they said the wanted to kill the smuggler, that is Joel. This leads me to believe that they could do a "safe procedure" however they wouldn't want to let Ellie go afterwards because they want the cure to themselves (remember they are a terrorist group). If Ellie was released afterwards it would be possiable she would go somewhere else (i.e. military) and they would get their hands on the cure as well. So the Fireflys would just kill her and Joel; get the entire brain, immune body (Ellie), fungus and cure to themselves and proceed with any further evil plans they have.
      That is actually a possibility but it was never confirmed if they are the bad guys or not. It is up to us to speculate on that or just leave it be. I also agree that if they get vaccine, it is likely also that they would use it as a leverage to gain the upper hand against everyone else opposing them.

      For this stance, I would be defending the Fireflies' actions. If you mean the Fireflies would want Joel and Ellie dead, I am assuming Marlene is not one of them as if you recall, Marlene is the one who actually spared Joel saying he is the only person who knows what she is experiencing emtionally (referring to emtional stress because Ellie is about to die and neither one of them can do anything about it, figuratively speaking). And it was her that was scolding the surgeon to find another way so that Ellie would live afterwards. And since she is the leader, wouldn't it be right that her cause and concerns would be the same cause and concerns of her followers?

      They are branded as "terrorists" by the current government, and who is to say that the government is doing any good compared to the fireflies. I believe there are no good guys and bad guys here. These are just people fighting to survive. Joel, Ellie and their allies are just like the hunters, cannibals, government and the Fireflies who fight to survive. 

      Morality has been thrown out the window a long time ago so there is no longer a basis for good and bad. It's all relative.


      You are correct but Marlene kept Joel alive out of guilt of Ellie having to die as a way to control her emotion (having someone who would understand, even though he clealy thinks otherwise, what she is going through).

      What I am tring to say is the fact they wanted Ellie and Joel dead but like you said Marlene says otherwise.
      They didn't want them dead. They wanted Joel dead because he was the smuggler, but they didn't want to kill Ellie.


      p.s. these quote trains are getting ridiculous


      Listening to recorders (like i said before) if both were dead then the fireflys have Ellie's body all to themselfs for research and get an upper hand against the government.

      And yes the Quotes are indeed ridiculous

      (Hopefully you see what I did there XD)

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    • CaPtiAn1590 wrote:
      CaPtiAn1590 wrote:
      Sexywednesday wrote:
      CaPtiAn1590 wrote:
      CaPtiAn1590 wrote:
      Croouu wrote:
      CaPtiAn1590 wrote:
      Croouu wrote:
      216.164.15.44 wrote:
      Croouu wrote:
      216.164.15.44 wrote:
      The Surgeon's Recorder artifact states that "Blood cultures taken from the patient rapidly grow Cordyceps in fungal-media in the lab..." That indicates that the fungus is in her blood and it is able to reproduce without a host. Considering the fungus in her brain produced the spores, they would have the same exact genetic makeup, meaning a blood sample would suffice.
      That is actually a good point. I forgot about that part.

      However, doesn't that prove that there is no other way? Since the doctors already know it is possible to culture the fungal infection from blood samples and yet they insist on killing the patient and study her post mortem. It is either that the surgeons are completely incompetent or there truly is no other way...and I believe the latter would be more likely.

      There were MRI scans around, meaning they had a working MRI machine. You can see pretty much everything in the brain using one, so they didn't need to cut her open to examine her brain.
      Oh that. The artifact you find in the university or the one scattered in the hospital? If there are mri scans in the hospital too (in the backgrounds) I guess I probably missed or ignored that. Even with MRI, wouldn't they need a physical sample too? I'm pretty sure they did what they could behind the scenes...after all Joel was also knocked out for quite some time. Based on the surgeon's recorder they actually did a hefty lot of tests before the actual operation (so maybe the scan you were talking about may or may not be included), which happened to start a bit later when Joel wakes up. 

      Marlene was also dissapointed with the surgeons in her first recorder. She said she was shouting at them because they couldn't find any other way. But I would like to believe there is another way. I just can't convince myself to go against the judgement and expertise of the surgeons as much as I would like too. If they said there isn't any other way I would take their word for it, for now, BUT I will not be surprised if someone else later on in the story did find another way.


      I would like to add my theory to this mess. When you listen to the recordings in the hospital, they said the wanted to kill the smuggler, that is Joel. This leads me to believe that they could do a "safe procedure" however they wouldn't want to let Ellie go afterwards because they want the cure to themselves (remember they are a terrorist group). If Ellie was released afterwards it would be possiable she would go somewhere else (i.e. military) and they would get their hands on the cure as well. So the Fireflys would just kill her and Joel; get the entire brain, immune body (Ellie), fungus and cure to themselves and proceed with any further evil plans they have.
      That is actually a possibility but it was never confirmed if they are the bad guys or not. It is up to us to speculate on that or just leave it be. I also agree that if they get vaccine, it is likely also that they would use it as a leverage to gain the upper hand against everyone else opposing them.

      For this stance, I would be defending the Fireflies' actions. If you mean the Fireflies would want Joel and Ellie dead, I am assuming Marlene is not one of them as if you recall, Marlene is the one who actually spared Joel saying he is the only person who knows what she is experiencing emtionally (referring to emtional stress because Ellie is about to die and neither one of them can do anything about it, figuratively speaking). And it was her that was scolding the surgeon to find another way so that Ellie would live afterwards. And since she is the leader, wouldn't it be right that her cause and concerns would be the same cause and concerns of her followers?

      They are branded as "terrorists" by the current government, and who is to say that the government is doing any good compared to the fireflies. I believe there are no good guys and bad guys here. These are just people fighting to survive. Joel, Ellie and their allies are just like the hunters, cannibals, government and the Fireflies who fight to survive. 

      Morality has been thrown out the window a long time ago so there is no longer a basis for good and bad. It's all relative.


      You are correct but Marlene kept Joel alive out of guilt of Ellie having to die as a way to control her emotion (having someone who would understand, even though he clealy thinks otherwise, what she is going through).

      What I am tring to say is the fact they wanted Ellie and Joel dead but like you said Marlene says otherwise.
      They didn't want them dead. They wanted Joel dead because he was the smuggler, but they didn't want to kill Ellie.

      p.s. these quote trains are getting ridiculous


      Listening to recorders (like i said before) if both were dead then the fireflys have Ellie's body all to themselfs for research and get an upper hand against the government.
      And yes the Quotes are indeed ridiculous

      (Hopefully you see what I did there XD)

      Yes it is ridiculously long. :D 

      But I don't mind, since unlike most peeps, I actually read it all even the longest of comments. It would be hypocritical for me to not read them since I actually write very long myself. 

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    • Croouu wrote:
      CaPtiAn1590 wrote:
      CaPtiAn1590 wrote:
      Sexywednesday wrote:
      CaPtiAn1590 wrote:
      CaPtiAn1590 wrote:
      Croouu wrote:
      CaPtiAn1590 wrote:
      Croouu wrote:
      216.164.15.44 wrote:
      Croouu wrote:
      216.164.15.44 wrote:
      The Surgeon's Recorder artifact states that "Blood cultures taken from the patient rapidly grow Cordyceps in fungal-media in the lab..." That indicates that the fungus is in her blood and it is able to reproduce without a host. Considering the fungus in her brain produced the spores, they would have the same exact genetic makeup, meaning a blood sample would suffice.
      That is actually a good point. I forgot about that part.

      However, doesn't that prove that there is no other way? Since the doctors already know it is possible to culture the fungal infection from blood samples and yet they insist on killing the patient and study her post mortem. It is either that the surgeons are completely incompetent or there truly is no other way...and I believe the latter would be more likely.

      There were MRI scans around, meaning they had a working MRI machine. You can see pretty much everything in the brain using one, so they didn't need to cut her open to examine her brain.
      Oh that. The artifact you find in the university or the one scattered in the hospital? If there are mri scans in the hospital too (in the backgrounds) I guess I probably missed or ignored that. Even with MRI, wouldn't they need a physical sample too? I'm pretty sure they did what they could behind the scenes...after all Joel was also knocked out for quite some time. Based on the surgeon's recorder they actually did a hefty lot of tests before the actual operation (so maybe the scan you were talking about may or may not be included), which happened to start a bit later when Joel wakes up. 

      Marlene was also dissapointed with the surgeons in her first recorder. She said she was shouting at them because they couldn't find any other way. But I would like to believe there is another way. I just can't convince myself to go against the judgement and expertise of the surgeons as much as I would like too. If they said there isn't any other way I would take their word for it, for now, BUT I will not be surprised if someone else later on in the story did find another way.


      I would like to add my theory to this mess. When you listen to the recordings in the hospital, they said the wanted to kill the smuggler, that is Joel. This leads me to believe that they could do a "safe procedure" however they wouldn't want to let Ellie go afterwards because they want the cure to themselves (remember they are a terrorist group). If Ellie was released afterwards it would be possiable she would go somewhere else (i.e. military) and they would get their hands on the cure as well. So the Fireflys would just kill her and Joel; get the entire brain, immune body (Ellie), fungus and cure to themselves and proceed with any further evil plans they have.
      That is actually a possibility but it was never confirmed if they are the bad guys or not. It is up to us to speculate on that or just leave it be. I also agree that if they get vaccine, it is likely also that they would use it as a leverage to gain the upper hand against everyone else opposing them.

      For this stance, I would be defending the Fireflies' actions. If you mean the Fireflies would want Joel and Ellie dead, I am assuming Marlene is not one of them as if you recall, Marlene is the one who actually spared Joel saying he is the only person who knows what she is experiencing emtionally (referring to emtional stress because Ellie is about to die and neither one of them can do anything about it, figuratively speaking). And it was her that was scolding the surgeon to find another way so that Ellie would live afterwards. And since she is the leader, wouldn't it be right that her cause and concerns would be the same cause and concerns of her followers?

      They are branded as "terrorists" by the current government, and who is to say that the government is doing any good compared to the fireflies. I believe there are no good guys and bad guys here. These are just people fighting to survive. Joel, Ellie and their allies are just like the hunters, cannibals, government and the Fireflies who fight to survive. 

      Morality has been thrown out the window a long time ago so there is no longer a basis for good and bad. It's all relative.


      You are correct but Marlene kept Joel alive out of guilt of Ellie having to die as a way to control her emotion (having someone who would understand, even though he clealy thinks otherwise, what she is going through).

      What I am tring to say is the fact they wanted Ellie and Joel dead but like you said Marlene says otherwise.
      They didn't want them dead. They wanted Joel dead because he was the smuggler, but they didn't want to kill Ellie.

      p.s. these quote trains are getting ridiculous


      Listening to recorders (like i said before) if both were dead then the fireflys have Ellie's body all to themselfs for research and get an upper hand against the government.
      And yes the Quotes are indeed ridiculous

      (Hopefully you see what I did there XD)

      Yes it is ridiculously long. :D 

      But I don't mind, since unlike most peeps, I actually read it all even the longest of comments. It would be hypocritical for me to not read them since I actually write very long myself. 

      I see what you did there

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    • Please stop the quote trains D:

      Quote the point you want to remark (?) and delete the rest.

      Anyways good job with your theories.

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    • Croouu wrote:
      Yes it is ridiculously long. :D 

      But I don't mind, since unlike most peeps, I actually read it all even the longest of comments. It would be hypocritical for me to not read them since I actually write very long myself. 

      So do I, it's starting to hurt :/

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    • PAIN RESULTS IN STRENGHT!

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    • It builds character......

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    • While we're at Marlene, did Ellie actually live together with Marlene or did Marlene take care of her for a long part of her life? Because in Ellies letter from her mother she says that Marlene will take care of her...    But if they would have known eachother better (or cared for eachother much more)    then Ellie would have surely said that more than: "we're friends i guess" (when asked by Joel)...        

      I think that Marlene had these problems with deciding wether to kill Ellie because of her friendship to Eliies mother

      So what is the thing about the two of them?  And also, who do you think Ellie was closer to? Joel or Marlene?    (My answer: definitely Joel, because Ellie actually decided to start a new life with him)

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    • You got me on that one.

      Joel, obviously, Ellie looks at Joel as her dad and is bonded to him emotionally

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    • Just thought of something. If Ellie got bit again; would she turn because a new strain entered her from the new bite.

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    • No, because of the same reason she can breathe spores.  The infection works kinda like chicken pox.  You can only get it once. 

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    • CaPtiAn1590 wrote:
      Just thought of something. If Ellie got bit again; would she turn because a new strain entered her from the new bite.

      No, because it doesn't work like that. She's already infected, so whether or not a new strain enters her body is irrelevant. Just like Bartlebys said, once you get infected you can't get infected again. The only thing Ellie would have to worry about is being eaten by a group of infected

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    • Here's another thought on the theory of the Fireflies finding a cure. Although there's like a one in a billion chance of finding the right one, couldn't they just find the infected person who bit Ellie instead of needing her for the cure? They said it was the cordeceps that infected her that evolved, which means that the person who bit her also carries the cure since its cordeceps evolved

      It's like if you're bitten by a snake. They use snake venom to make the anit-venom, right? SO, why not reverse-engineer the cordeceps of the infected person that bit Ellie instead of the cordeceps inside her? Or any infected for that matter.

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    • But the Infection could evolve in the other hand.... Plus: I would still worry about maaaany other things if I were Ellie....

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    • Implord wrote:
      But the Infection could evolve in the other hand.... Plus: I would still worry about maaaany other things if I were Ellie....

      I meant in regards to the infection, not in general

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    • Blame me.^^

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    • 75.121.25.103 wrote:
      Here's another thought on the theory of the Fireflies finding a cure. Although there's like a one in a billion chance of finding the right one, couldn't they just find the infected person who bit Ellie instead of needing her for the cure? They said it was the cordeceps that infected her that evolved, which means that the person who bit her also carries the cure since its cordeceps evolved

      It's like if you're bitten by a snake. They use snake venom to make the anit-venom, right? SO, why not reverse-engineer the cordeceps of the infected person that bit Ellie instead of the cordeceps inside her? Or any infected for that matter.

      That's a good idea, actually... But how are they going to find it? I mean, it's been more than a year since Ellie was bitten. I mean, after the game, which covers a year. Also, it's I'm sticking with the theory that's in the middle, it just... Fits. By the way; cordyceps* :)

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    • MvdVeen wrote:
      75.121.25.103 wrote:
      Here's another thought on the theory of the Fireflies finding a cure. Although there's like a one in a billion chance of finding the right one, couldn't they just find the infected person who bit Ellie instead of needing her for the cure? They said it was the cordeceps that infected her that evolved, which means that the person who bit her also carries the cure since its cordeceps evolved

      It's like if you're bitten by a snake. They use snake venom to make the anit-venom, right? SO, why not reverse-engineer the cordeceps of the infected person that bit Ellie instead of the cordeceps inside her? Or any infected for that matter.

      That's a good idea, actually... But how are they going to find it? I mean, it's been more than a year since Ellie was bitten. I mean, after the game, which covers a year. Also, it's I'm sticking with the theory that's in the middle, it just... Fits. By the way; cordyceps* :)

      I doubt you can do anything to stop the infection (OR CORDYCEPS for that manner). Spores can travel everywhere and maybe in that span of 20 years or more, had already taken a biological change to adapt in its environment. According to the Planet Earth documentary, the cordyceps seeks out to destroy populations that go out of hand. Looks like TLoU universe (earth) have a few human beings living around. Therefore; there is a chance for them to MAYBE stop... Call me an pessimist. But you can't control the wrath of nature. Making us the last of us.

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    • Little note: Ellie is immune. She have bigger chances to survive. There might be other immunes. What does the stronger one do in nature? Right, he'll survive and repopulate the earth. Someday, everyone will be immune.

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    • I'm not planning to be a player of the game for the simple reason that I don't really enjoy games that pump my adrenaline - but I do like reading about them. So here are some musings by a less-than-well informed passerby. 

      Ellie's "immunity" isn't a true immunity, as her body itself doesn't just reject the infection - it was a change that Cordyceps itself underwent (due to something in her biological processes or itself is unclear). We don't know whether it is something within her DNA stopping her Cordyceps from advancing or whether the Cordyceps itself is now dormant and infertile.

      My big question is whether Ellie's infection ever would pose a threat to Joel if she just randomly decided to, I don't know, lick his innards. What I mean by this is... if Ellie managed to expose Joel to the infection somehow, probably by accident such as injury, would it affect him?

      Additionally, one girl cannot repopulate the planet - and even if she did start baby booming to form a small and genetically wastelanded population, there's no guarantee that her offspring will develop the same morphed strain. There's a good chance that any fetuses may suffer Cordyceps in the womb and die before being carried to term. 

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    • 76.119.137.105 wrote:
      I'm not planning to be a player of the game for the simple reason that I don't really enjoy games that pump my adrenaline - but I do like reading about them. So here are some musings by a less-than-well informed passerby. 

      Ellie's "immunity" isn't a true immunity, as her body itself doesn't just reject the infection - it was a change that Cordyceps itself underwent (due to something in her biological processes or itself is unclear). We don't know whether it is something within her DNA stopping her Cordyceps from advancing or whether the Cordyceps itself is now dormant and infertile.

      My big question is whether Ellie's infection ever would pose a threat to Joel if she just randomly decided to, I don't know, lick his innards. What I mean by this is... if Ellie managed to expose Joel to the infection somehow, probably by accident such as injury, would it affect him?

      Additionally, one girl cannot repopulate the planet - and even if she did start baby booming to form a small and genetically wastelanded population, there's no guarantee that her offspring will develop the same morphed strain. There's a good chance that any fetuses may suffer Cordyceps in the womb and die before being carried to term. 

      And get infected in her womb. And murder her from the inside out. I suppose you did watch all the cutscenes on youtube?

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    • Well, I didn't WANT to imagine Ellie pregnant, but there ya go.

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    • well what i say a vaccin is 1. not helpful because a vaccin is a dead or slow growing version of the real infection and you boddy makes cells that kill it. 2. a vaccin is impossible it mutates too fast to even get your boddy a chace to react. What really only can help but that is impossible too is a cure. So i just say this the fireflies can died and stop crying because they want to kill ellie and have 1/1000000000000000 chace to find a vaccine and do something better like killing the infected what will help more.

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    • MvdVeen wrote: watch all the cutscenes on youtube?


      I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. I watched nothing on Youtube. All information I have gleaned was through a 45 minute read through the wiki and some forum threads.

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    • 1. You need some hobbys (Even if I'm not better ^^).

      2. I never said one girl could repopulate a planet, but if her children would get her immunity, this phenomen would spread with the time.

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    • 76.119.137.105 wrote:
      MvdVeen wrote: watch all the cutscenes on youtube?

      I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not. I watched nothing on Youtube. All information I have gleaned was through a 45 minute read through the wiki and some forum threads.

      Okay, well, it could be useful :)

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    • Bartlebycs wrote:
      Well, I didn't WANT to imagine Ellie pregnant, but there ya go.

      Oh yes, thank you for that lovely visual image

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    • I have two theories about Ellie's infection. Theory (A) Ellie's fungus is the equivalent of retarded. Its there but it's to dum to take control. And because the infected cant get infected Ellie, in now immune.


      Theory (B) Ellie, is not immune at all. It's just a new and much more terrifying strain of the infection which will one day turn Ellie, into something far more deadly then saveral Bloaters. 

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    • I think her DNA is just OP.

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    • ellie is immune to bites and spores,, but not to having her head torn off by a clicker  or pediphile hunter ...

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    • Ellie was infected while her mom was giving birth to her. Small dose of infected DNA would then be transferred to her. Just my theory not a fact.

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    • Well, some of you said if she got offspring( dang it's gross to talk about this kinds of things) her womb would eat her ny insideout right? Then why when her mom carried in her womb,she was in fact,Ellie was infected either,but she's not turning yet she became immune for it,so I'm guessing,this is my theory,don't get amd at me,or said some weird comment,I deserve it anyway,but really,how if it won't happen? How if everything goes like cycles again? like the womb became immune too,I'm not a science dude,so I'm just saying the possibilities for it.

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    • 180.245.185.53 wrote:
      Well, some of you said if she got offspring( dang it's gross to talk about this kinds of things) her womb would eat her ny insideout right? Then why when her mom carried in her womb,she was in fact,Ellie was infected either,but she's not turning yet she became immune for it,so I'm guessing,this is my theory,don't get amd at me,or said some weird comment,I deserve it anyway,but really,how if it won't happen? How if everything goes like cycles again? like the womb became immune too,I'm not a science dude,so I'm just saying the possibilities for it.

      Yeah, that's what I was thinking too.

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    • ????

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    • Hey! Don't just question mark,Fanofwiki, please say something,I told you I only say the possibilities I'm not saying that I want her to be like that...-_-

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    • for starters (spoiler alert) elle says that she was bitten with her best friend when they were skipping military school and second for the vaccene for elle the fungi attacks the cerebellum whitch controls involntary actions and emotions which is what makes last of us infected act the way they do so to make a vaccine for the fungal virus would have to come from the brain but it is possible to take a blood sample but you would have to to take multipule other samples includeing a skin sample from her bite there disscussion promlem solved

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    • Well, what do you think ?They rather take a blood sample or the brain? I know they chose to have her brain to make the vaccine,but I'm not sure why are they so brave enough to have the brain better than the blood sample.I mean,failing a human is so frickin' mean,if you're failing on a frog,that's better,but if you're failing for a human...I could say that's a sin and so mean.I know she's the special subject,but why can't they thinbk twice,even if they already had many research saying Ellie could've done it, it doesn't mean that failures were deniable. 

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    • I was question marking something else.... 

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    • 216.164.15.44 wrote:

      The reason that I don't think it was just a random mutation of the virus is she mentions that she and her friend Riley got bitten by the same Runner. The strain would have been the same for them both, showing that Ellie had something biologically that made her immune, either by mutating the virus itself or fighting it enough to prevent it from growing enough to take control of her. 

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    • 216.164.15.44 wrote:

      The reason that I don't think it was just a random mutation of the virus is she mentions that she and her friend Riley got bitten by the same Runner. The strain would have been the same for them both, showing that Ellie had something biologically that made her immune, either by mutating the virus itself or fighting it enough to prevent it from growing enough to take control of her. 

      But the thing is that riley killed ellies zombie so ellies zombie didnt bite riley it was a different zombie

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    • 98.229.33.174 wrote: Could the fireflies just take a blood sample and look into the blood cells for the antibodies fighting off the infection to create a vacine?

      No because *spoilers ahead* when joel is fighting the fireflies at the hospital you can find a tape recorder that states that her body doesn't seem to be reacting or trying to fight the infection. So there's no antibodies.

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    • 98.229.33.174 wrote:
      Could the fireflies just take a blood sample and look into the blood cells for the antibodies fighting off the infection to create a vacine?

      She is NOT IMMUNE she is infected she does not have the symptoms. She was bitten but she is lucky she is still infected but instead of becoming a zombie she does not HOWEVER she still carries the virus if she were to say bight someone they would be infected. This is true for some real diseases aswell and the survivors in l4d-l4d2 they are infected just not actually being turned.

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    • 121.200.21.30 wrote:
      I have two theories about Ellie's infection. Theory (A) Ellie's fungus is the equivalent of retarded. Its there but it's to dum to take control. And because the infected cant get infected Ellie, in now immune.


      Theory (B) Ellie, is not immune at all. It's just a new and much more terrifying strain of the infection which will one day turn Ellie, into something far more deadly then saveral Bloaters. 


      Both are wrong but "B" is partially correct. She is not immune she just carries the virus. She can transfer it by bighting someone and they may turn or not (depends on a lot) but she is infected its just instead of turning her into a zombie it just doenst and uses her as a means to spread.

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    • I may be incorect about her being immune but since she was bitten and didnt turn and the scanner said she was infected makes the (she actually is immune) theory incorect.

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    • The scanner noticed the fungus inside her. The fungus is inside her, but mutated and is not only harmless to Ellie, it also makes her immune.

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    • Holy dead thread revival, guys.

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    • I hadn't visited this Wiki for, like, two years.

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    • Well, since the forum is revised, I'm gonna add my thoughts ^_^:

      The idea she is immune was correct until the end of the main story, as we see her infected arm now looks more like a rash, evidenced by the increased redness and now stretching up her arm.

      Instead of being completely immune, her body has merely "slowed down" the process. Plus, the factors we have prove its down to chance rather than factual proof of her resistance. Her infection resistance isn't down to:

      • her age (as Sam would have been fine)
      • where she was bit (Riley was also bitten in the arm area)
      • the type of infected who transferred the infection (several are bitten by runners)

      It's just chance. It's a shame for the human race.

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    • Counter-Evidence: She was supervised by scientists who were competent enough to find out how the fungus mutated inside her.

      Also, it's not an infection, it's a cordyceps-variant fungus. It affects the brain first. You wouldn't see it by looking at her arm.

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    • Implord wrote: Counter-Evidence: She was supervised by scientists who were competent enough to find out how the fungus mutated inside her.

      Also, it's not an infection, it's a cordyceps-variant fungus. It affects the brain first. You wouldn't see it by looking at her arm.

      Time for me to try and counter the counter ahah:

      Indeed, the fungus inside of her mutated, according to the scientists, but that's the whole thing about it being "1 in a billion", it is that mutated fungus in the world (though their might be more). Also the scientists want to reverse engineer a vaccine, I wonder why they didn't do a biopsy?

      Regarding the arm, I merely was stating the place at where the fungus infected her, not where it affected. Though, for the change in her arm, that would indicate to me it has now spread to her arm and affected it as well.

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    • 1. A biopsy makes sense if the fungus spread through her body. According to the scientists, as far as I understood, the fungus infected her brain and stopped there, for one reason or another. That's also the reason they needed her brain.

      2. Every change of nature starts with one among millions.

      3. The infection doesn't spread before it toke controll over the brain. Except if Ellie was to become an Infected but keept conciousness. Which would be crawsome.

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    • Implord wrote:
      The scanner noticed the fungus inside her. The fungus is inside her, but mutated and is not only harmless to Ellie, it also makes her immune.

      SHE IS NOT IMMUNE SHE IS INFECTED NOT IMMUNE SHE IS A CARRIER AKA SHE IS INFECTED ITS JUST NOT TURNING HER INTO A ZOMBIE AS A FORM OF SPREADING.

      In real life you could say have Ebola but not show any symptoms at all your just a carrier then, you ARE infected but NOT showing symptoms. (Showing symptoms means you do not have any of the symptoms like coughing nausia or anything like that from the infection.)

      L4D-L4D2 survivors are infected but not turning due to being lucky in the case of they are carriers they do not turn but they carry the infection.

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    • As seen with Tess, David would have shown first symptoms by the time they offed him.

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